We need to talk about Derrick Chisora

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Glass City Cobra, Apr 13, 2025.


  1. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra H2H Burger King

    10,172
    17,361
    Jan 6, 2017
    Whyte
    Kabyal
    Parker
    Wallin
    Usyk
    Joyce
    Pulev

    Chisora gave so many of the biggest names fighting today really close fights. He's a bit of a spoiler and has a track record of managing to push fighters with better resumes to their limits bringing the best out of them.

    Although he's come up short quite often at the elite level, he almost always manages to give a good account of himself and please the crowd. The only fighters who beat him easily without it looking even remotely close were Vitali (a hall of famer with a huge height advantage), Fury, and Haye.

    However, Chisora has seemingly had a resurgence of his career when there were talks of him potentially retiring several years ago. He himself seemed poised to bow out gracefully, but he has stunned the boxing world with recent wins over Wallin/Joyce etc, guys who had no business losing to Chisora considering they're younger with far less wear and tear. The sanctioning bodies have him potentially ready to face Dubois for the title last I checked.

    So the question is this: what would it say about this era if a 6'1, 41 year old man with double digit losses managed to shock the world and win a title? What if he actually managed to beat Dubois or Usyk in a rematch (a man who admits Chisora was one of his toughest fights after Fury)...? Would that mean this era ****ing sucks??? How would we rate this era historically...?
     
  2. dmt

    dmt Hardest hitting hw ever Full Member

    9,921
    13,737
    Jul 2, 2006
    He would be seen as a Hasim Rahman type, albeit with more losses. I don't think people would see this era as a weak era.
     
  3. OddR

    OddR Active Member Full Member

    1,035
    989
    Jan 8, 2025
    Ok yes it would raise doubts about the era but it's a big if.

    It would also raise Chisora's standing as well.
     
  4. dmt

    dmt Hardest hitting hw ever Full Member

    9,921
    13,737
    Jul 2, 2006
    I just don't see it happening, however. Usyk is too clever and wouldn't allow Chisora any sort of opportunities now.
     
  5. Mandela2039

    Mandela2039 Romans 3:12 Full Member

    103
    130
    Mar 8, 2025
    If? disrespectful is the least offensive thing i can call you.

    War Chisora will become undisputed champ by Koing Usyk with his presence alone, and reign until God himself stops him for our own good
     
  6. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

    59,179
    42,108
    Feb 11, 2005
    I'm not feeling the need, honestly.
     
    Skins likes this.
  7. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra H2H Burger King

    10,172
    17,361
    Jan 6, 2017
    I admit, it's not even 50% likely to happen. Dubois and Usyk should absolutely beat Chisora even on an off night.

    But you never know in boxing. Dubois has had questionable heart in the past, and he lost to Joyce who lost to an old Chisora. And Usyk had a rough night in the office with Chisora last time, but Usyk has slowed down athletically.
     
  8. HistoryZero26

    HistoryZero26 Boxing Addict Full Member

    3,197
    2,665
    Jan 6, 2024
    The highest ranked fighter with more losses than him is Oliver McCall. He already got a lineal title shot he didnt deserve too and did nothing with that one. Its honestly one of the more disgraceful title shots thats been given out when you look how many fighters have been waiting for years for the 4 ducks to leave the pond. And then they see the guy with the .200 win percentage in big fights get multiple title shots. Its not right. If Chisora wins doesn't change that.

    Chisoras "career resurgence" is beating Wallin and Joe Joyce. Wins that would have been impressive a few years ago but today shouldn't move the needle for someone whose been failing upward since 2012.

    Chisoras a good fighter but for anyone else in his situation that wouldn't have mattered.
     
    oldcanvasback and Reinhardt like this.
  9. DominateBox

    DominateBox New Member banned Full Member

    37
    24
    Apr 13, 2025
    The truth is he's a top fighter who's fought almost everyone who's been in the top 10 for the last 15 years, and is way better than his record suggests with plenty of good wins, and fights he should have got the W but didn't, and giving a good effort in losses.

    He's just a fighter people like to troll aboutand dismiss. But his longevity at the top level for over a decade is impressive.

    And he has a chance against Dubois (not usyk) , it would be a remarkable story if he won.
     
  10. DominateBox

    DominateBox New Member banned Full Member

    37
    24
    Apr 13, 2025
    Wouldn't call him a spoiler, most of his fights have been entertaining to watch
     
    Kiwi Fish likes this.
  11. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

    50,299
    23,281
    Jan 3, 2007
    If it were to happen it would certainly give the critics plenty of fuel to berate the era. But I’ve never considered a champion being upset by a lesser fighter as defining of an entire period. Take the 90s for example. It’s commonly considered as somewhat of a golden age for heavyweights and I agree that it was. But we had Mike Tyson losing to Buster Douglas. And Lennox Lewis being KOd by Oliver McCall. There was also Michael Moorer getting knocked out by a 45 year old George Foreman. While all these were colossal upsets it doesn’t change my opinion of the 90s being a great heavyweight division.

    On another note, Dereck Chisora has always had my respect. He’ll take any fight, anywhere, against anyone and always shows up ready to rumble. The finest heavyweights of the past 15 years respect him for that very same reason. In addition to giving excellent efforts in defeat he’s also BEATEN a handful of good men and may even have fallen victim to some close decisions. I like Dereck Chisora. That said, I really wish he’d retire. He’s done enough and I don’t want to see him broken.
     
  12. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    25,656
    33,506
    Jul 4, 2014
    Want to answer this directly.

    It says nothing, because Usyk is the champion. In the 90's, allegedly the best or second best heavyweight era ever, Bruce Seldon, Oliver McCall, Frank Bruno, 45-year-old George Foreman were champions, as well as Damiani, Morrison, Hyde, and brain-damaged Michael Bent if you include the WBO.

    Almost anyone can sneak into a a title reign.

    POST SCRIPT:
    Usyk gives Chisora credit, but also says he was coming off covid and gave his performance a 3, so it doesn't exactly mean what you thin it does.
     
  13. BCS8

    BCS8 VIP Member

    57,861
    76,516
    Aug 21, 2012
    The amount of Vitali glazing around here would go up exponentially
     
    Wizbit1013 and OddR like this.
  14. lof_87

    lof_87 New Member Full Member

    58
    67
    Jan 18, 2020
    Pulev in the first fight. Parker in the second. Kabayel also to some extent.
     
  15. Rollin

    Rollin Boxing Addict Full Member

    3,795
    5,975
    Nov 17, 2021
    Chisora strongly benefits from:

    a) A powerful punch even in his old age (dropped Parker, dropped Joyce, dropped and shook Wallin). Not the top of the crop but even Usyk noted his power.
    b) Do-or-die mentality. No explanation needed.
    c) Unorthodox, confusing if not outright crafty in an at times improvised way style. Switch-hitting, crossguard (gave Joyce fits), fighting short and leaping out of a crouch, his infamous overhand right.