Is my all time top 10 good or bad?

And? I don't have him that high.

 

That's because it's garbage and only an imbecile would have Greb outside the top 5.

 

If greb was so great, why did no 1 bother to film him, eh? eh??

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I always have Jack Dempsey in an ATG ranking if we are considering impact on sport and place in history as equal parameters to skill level and resume.

 

Hi George.
I do not have a list of top ten, if I did it would look similar to yours with maybe Ross out and Pep in, likewise Moore out and Wilde in, but not with any degree of certainty, would imagine your top 5 would look like most posters, but only in a different order.
stay safe buddy, chat soon.

 

You should spend more time here in Classic my lounge friend.. then you would know Greb was giving up 13 pounds in his first fight with Tunney , and 8 pounds in his second bout against Gene.. You understand what that means right? Not only that Greb was clearly shopworn with more than 250 bouts in him, while Tunney was Fresh as can be in his 49th bout .. You see now mi amigo ? Really bro spend more time here in Classic

 

You have all of my top 5 and 6 of my top 10.

I have Pep at #11.

I don't think SRL or Moore are top 10, but have both top 20.

I don't have McLarnin top 20 and his inclusion is the one I recommend scrutinising first. I don't have Ross top 10, he's my #15, but I don't think there's a strong argument for having McLarnin ahead of Ross. Ross was smaller, yet won their series and went 2-0 vs Canzernori, who Jimmy went 1-1 with. McLarnin has a fine win resume, but a lot of his key wins were against smaller fighters and he lost far more often than the more dominant and consistent Ross. I also have Canzernori over McLarnin.

I also recommend considering Bob Fitzsimmons for inclusion. NP Jack Dempsey was considered the p4p GOAT when Fitz utterly dominated him in a 1-sided fight in his natural MW division. It took roughly 100-years of gloved boxing for the lineal LHW champ to win the lineal HW title. Moore, Foster and Lewis were amongst those that challenged and lost. It's incredibly difficult for a LHW champ to win the HW title. Yet over 80-years before Spinks squeaked past an ageing Holmes, the reigning MW champ won the HW title by KO. He also won the inaugural LHW title against ATG Philadelphia Jack O'Brien at age 41, which is about as old for an athlete at that time as 50 is today.

 

Mayweather = GOAT

Greb = Beneficiary

 

McLarnin certainly has a shout for greatest 1st round KO in history over the great YCIII, I agree. He lost a fight for every 5 wins and allied with his respective performances against the smaller Ross and Canzernori, is clearly behind both, imo.

I have Tunney #20 p4p all time and #3 all time at LHW based solely on fights in that division. Some of his best wins were against non peak versions, but even allowing for that, his win resume is impressive, even more so when you consider his dominance.

 

Not bad.

McLarnin's an interesting choice that I think is defensible due to the fact that he defeated the number one guy in every division he competed in from bantamweight to welterweight. I wouldn't have him in my top 10, but there's a case to be made for it. He's similar to Pac in that regard, but his climb generally impresses me than Pac's does, so I typically rate him above Pacquiao.

I wouldn't have either in my top 10, personally. But it's a compelling point of discussion.