James Toney vs 70s George Foreman (15 rounds) - challenger withstanding

This is a gross misreading… why would George shove? He didn’t against Ali because he got him going to the ropes, it’ll be where he gets lead to because he knew only one way… Samuel Peter was a lot bigger, stronger and had a better gas tank then Ol Foreman (that I’ve seen) he was also totally spanked by Toney the first time around when James was old, obese and shot… we aren’t even using that version but it stands… not exactly a “gotcha” he doesn’t need to “pressure” Foreman he’d just let him come and he would, it’d be exactly what he wants that’s Toney’s best range inside against a guy with no capacity for punching short and square hips… explain how that’s the recipe for James Toney?

 

Not too limited against Holyfield… IMO ideally he should’ve stayed lighter IMO 210lbs? Being in the pocket is exactly where he’d want to be to me… George swung so wide and his hips were so square as a pro isn’t that exactly where you’d rake them with uppercuts? Turn your shoulder into the chest, keep an eye on the hook and introduce them to the right uppercut again and again… only punch he could land is the rabbit punch like Peter’s when James bow’s over to get under hooks IMO.

 

Actually… when did Toney ever duck? Seriously, can you show me where Toney bent at the waist to go head first into an uppercut? lol with how Toney fought, with his bladed stance, with his shoulder turned in, sense of range and propensity to pull back do you know what kind of miracle it would take for George to land a fight changing “right uppercut” on “Big” James?

 

You didn’t respond to the other points in my post, they were important to the match up please respond to the full post.

 

For a start he did a more then “lose” to Samuel Peter (he schooled him as a obese, shot old man first time around) from 190lbs upwards (where he’d be 200-210lbs on fight night) he’s got a big enough body of work to look at him as a fighter and put pieces together for a match up… Ali by comparison sucked in skill and IQ don’t make me laugh… come now brother.

 

Now you’re just winding me up lol you know I said Peter’s didn’t have a higher IQ then Ali, you know Peter’s was schooled against Toney and you know this is a debatable fight.

 

If you can’t pick up that I’m only being half serious between me and @Seamus we do this stuff semi regularly… I have been reading his posts since I was a teenager, I’ve got a ton of respect for him he knows this and he knows his boxing unlike most… I’m not “gas lighting” anybody I’ve posted a bunch of technical analysis / opinions on this match up in this thread my position isn’t just “your wrong” it’s “you might be wrong here’s why” I started this calling it my most controversial opinion I want to discuss and I’m having fun doing it - do you have anything to actually contribute?

 

“Big” James > “Lil” George is about to be a canon forum opinion… I suppose if I have no opposition? years from now people will read this thread and say “That outrageous poster has a point!” And he’ll be 2200’s Marciano front of the page weekly-

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