Were does Usyk rank P4P all time?

There Is way too many super talented fighters over the years. Some we lost way too young that never saw their true potential. I chose the top 20. I would struggle to put him in the top 10. I am no boxing knowledge genius though.

 

Yeah I agree with this Joey.

Put any top upper echelon 210-220 pound fighter like Tyson, Holmes, Ali, Holyfield, against Usyk's Heavyweight opposition

I see no reason they wouldn't run the gauntlet vs Dubois, Joshua, Fury, Chisora.

Fury especially gets way overrated on this forum and people say Heavyweights have evolved ?

Imagine thinking a Heavyweight with love handles and trunks up to his arm pits it's peak evolution what a joke.

 

And yet none ever did. We judge fighters by what they actually did not what they could have done hypothetically

 

But eight fights.

I'm not re-litigating what was already said. He has wight wins (that I can prove, don't have access to WBC ratings) against ranked opponents. The Schwarz argument reverses things- now you are talking the importance of name over rankings, in which case you do have a number of guys on there who had good runs.

The standard you guys are pushing is names that you like Ring magazine, and that is not any kind of standard.

 

After everything Wallin is still on a different level then those guys and Seferi.

 

Mike Tyson and Evander Holyfield beat a lot of bigger guys but I get your point

 

They also lost to more bigger guys so it goes both ways

 

Usyk has 7 heavyweight fights

 

Sure but any sane person should agree that in reality those 3 were not among the best 10 heavyweights in the world. If you want to adopt a different criteria that gives fighters some level of credit for beating top 20 or 25 opponents outside the top 10 that's a different matter.

Maybe top 10 is arbitrary and some level of credit can be given for beating guys just outside the top 10 but that's a different issue than claiming Schwarz or Hammer were among the best 10 heavyweights in the world when the evidence heavily points otherwise.

Moreover I doubt these guys ratings have anything to do with Furys decision to fight them. He didn't face them because they were ranked and if asked probably couldn't even tell you who rated them. Ge fought them because he saw them as easy opponents who would make him money and let him stay active without posing much risk

 

You can then say he's so great, it took him only 6 fights to become undisputed in the heavyweight division. Not even Evander Holyfield and Leon Spinks could do it.

 

* Worst HW era ever

 

I think hypothetical comparisons are starting to be a bit off putting for me. The whole put Tyson Holyfield Lewis today's era against who Uysk faced is so speculative. It's kinda fun to speculate but also kind of pointless at the same time..

 

Yeah, we know, we know

 

More like 16, actually.

His six World Series of Boxing fights were all against guys who were big heavyweights (Fa, Joyce, Nistor, etc.) and those were all supposed to go on the boxers' professional records, and DID, initially, because they were professional fights. Five rounds, three-minute rounds, pro rules, and they all got paid. But the top amateurs who lost demanded they be removed.

And he had at least three pro fights at heavyweight (Mendoza, Crenz, Rodriguez) before he fully committed to going after the cruiserweight belt.