Henry Armstrong (1938, Barney Ross) Vs Prime Ray Robinson, Who Wins?

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  1. Mandela2039

    Mandela2039 Philippians 2:10-11 Full Member

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    How much of a difference would there have been if Hank was in his prime when he was set to face the (almost) universally recognized GOAT of the sport? how much of a chance does he have at beating him, now that he is in his best shape and in his best performance on footage?
     
  2. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

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    Armstrong has a big mountain to climb. The size difference is significant. Robinson is the bigger man also the better boxer and more powerful puncher.
    Henry would bring tons of pressure and try to get to Sugar Ray's body.

    I suspect SRR could keep Henry at range and win comfortably but Robinson would engage him with exchanges at midrange even inside. Eventually i think he catches Hank clean too many times.
    Robinson by stoppage 10-12 round.

    Just a note in their actual fight Ray was suspected to have carried Armstrong. Dan Parker of the Daily Mirror could see Ray missing punches just enough to make it look good. Years later Ray confirmed that he carried Henry.
     
  3. ron davis

    ron davis Well-Known Member Full Member

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    SRR could be as good as he wants to be, carry or not, depends on the odds and the future gates of each fight. Armstrong would give Ray a lot of trouble, especially if he can't hit above the trunks. Armstrong never stops throwing punches, like a fan on full speed, and would be hard to be hit, in a crouch or standing. Utube has Sugar Ray Robinson fighting Sammy Angott who I believe fought four times, and didn't knock him out, or could have knock him out would be bad for business. Armstrong beat Angott with two injured hands and was over the hill. Armstrong carried Ross the last four rounds and beat him with out a sweat. Barneys stablemate Davey Day was suppose to fight Armstrong before he could fight Ross, he wanted no part of Mr. Day. Sam Taub the voice of boxing narrated the The Armstrong/ Ross match. Davey Day fought Norment Quarles and beat Norment hands down. Of which, Sam Taub announce that Davey Day is Ross's stablemate and is more clever than Barney and hits harder. Before announcing Ross/ Armstrong wel. title fight. There you go, that's the reason the (monopoly) side step Day.
     
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  4. McGrain

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    Armstrong's WW record is misleading. A prime Ray Robinson would dominate him.
     
  5. Mandela2039

    Mandela2039 Philippians 2:10-11 Full Member

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    Misleading in what way? not saying i disagree or agree with you but i'm a casual so i would like to know why is it misleading
     
  6. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    So much of his title opposition was tiny. Lew Feldman, 134lbs. Baby Arizmendi 136lbs. Davey Day 136lbs. Paul Junior 142lbs. Joe Ghnouly 135lbs. A cynic might even say that he continued to fight at 135lbs in defence of a different title, although there are probably just enough full weight welterweights to refute that accusation. Still, it's nothing like enough of a body of evidence to make him favoured over the welterweight.
     
  7. Mandela2039

    Mandela2039 Philippians 2:10-11 Full Member

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    Im not following, how is tiny opposition misleading?

    Are you saying it is misleading because SRR is bigger than them or that it is misleading because they were tiny and Henry was bigger than them?
     
  8. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    It's misleading because half of Armstrong's title reign was basically at 135.
     
  9. surfinghb

    surfinghb Boxing Junkie Full Member

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  10. laxpdx

    laxpdx Boxing Addict Full Member

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    This one would be very brutal while it lasted. Armstrong would bring his usual tenacity and would make it very exciting to watch, but he will pay for it big time. At the end of it, Hank's face will look like raw meat. It's Robinson by either one sided UD or late stoppage.
     
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  11. ron davis

    ron davis Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Henry Armstrong would be a serious problem for SRR to beat, if the referee is blind. Ray would be a set up for Hanks unintentional low blows in every round, he better have double protection. Armstrong doesn't miss hitting a taller fighter in the groin and not losing the round!
     
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  12. Flash24

    Flash24 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    No version of Henry Armstrong would have much of a chance against prime Ray Robinson at welterweight, and it really is that simple.
     
  13. ron davis

    ron davis Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Maybe at welterweight, but in lightweight.
     
  14. Shay Sonya

    Shay Sonya The REAL Wonder Woman! Full Member

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    There is no poll. If there was, I would vote for Sugar Ray Robinson by decision or late stoppage, probably the latter most times (in a series of fights).
     
  15. FThabxinfan

    FThabxinfan Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Armstrong was more suited as a lightweight, although he was ranked as a welterweight.

    I don't think Robinson would've grind him down too one sided, Armstrong had good strength and might had his moments,but eventually Robinson beats him in a quite lopsided decision.

    And who knows that Armstrong could possibly exploit the head movement of SRR being quite limited?
     
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