Considering neither Benn nor Eubank have ever won a world title, why was their fight so hyped?

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  1. Perkin Warbeck

    Perkin Warbeck Boxing aficionado Full Member

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    True, but James Toney was willing to fight Eubank in the UK.
     
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  2. Perkin Warbeck

    Perkin Warbeck Boxing aficionado Full Member

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    And refused to fight in the USA.
    Eubank was just age 28 when Collins first beat him. In reality, Eubank was never very good.
    So? Armstrong was a featherweight who fought welterweights and won, Greb and Langford were middleweights who fought heavyweights and won.

    Super middleweight didn't exist back in those days, and should never have been created.
    So? What would Chris Eubank have done if he fought before Super Middleweight was created? What division could he hide in?

    Calzaghe moved up to become linear and Ring champion at 175.
     
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  3. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Eubank was not 27 when he lost to Collins I have no idea where you're getting that from. And he'd also had over 20 world title fights when he fought Collins so you're not taking into account the wear and tear.

    Eubank was also never quite the same mentally after the Watson fight and lost his killer instinct he had Collins, Thompson, Wharton, in desperate trouble and held back when they were out on their feet.

    How in the world have you brought up Armstrong, Greb who were from 100 years ago in relation to Eubank ? That's one of the strangest random comparisons I've ever seen.

    Hold on a minute you praise Calzaghe but he spent 98 percent of his career at Super Middleweight the same weightclass you're discrediting Eubank for being a long reigning champion at ? How does that even make sense ?

    Yes Calzaghe moved up in weight right at the end of his career just like Eubank did except Eubank took a bigger risk moving up 2 weightclasses to fight a fighter twice the size of him in Thompson.
     
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  4. Perkin Warbeck

    Perkin Warbeck Boxing aficionado Full Member

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    Twice the size? You're being silly. What about super middleweight Badou Jack winning a belt at 200 at age 40?

    You're saying he couldn't have fought Maske and Dariusz M. because they were at 175.

    I ask again, in what weight division would Eubank have fought in most of boxing history, a few years earlier, when super middleweight did not exist? WHERE WOULD HE HAVE HIDDEN?

    Compare Eubank to Pacquiao, who moved from minimumweight, won a title at flyweight, and went all the way up to welterweight. Or Usyk, a natural cruiserweight who takes on super heavyweights. Or Duran, the former linear lightweight champ who started at bantamweight and won a world title at middleweight. Compare him to Badou Jack, a super middleweight who won titles at 175 and at 200, at age 40.

    There is not much difference between 168 and 175.

    You SERIOUSLY overrate Eubank. He lost twice in his late 20s to Collins, and was schooled at age 31 by Calzaghe. In reality, he was never all that good.

    Benn was a bit better, but was a dirty fighter as we saw against Gerald McLennan, with the dodgy referees in the UK permitting it.
     
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  5. thehook13

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    You had to be there man
     
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  6. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I don't understand your points at all you're all over the place.

    Firstly you said Eubank wasn't that good and you call him a "domestic level fighter". And then in another sentence you're comparing him to some of the greatest fighters of all time from 100 years ago expecting Eubank to achieve their level of success how does that even make sense ? you're wrong on both accounts.

    Eubank was clearly not "domestic level fighter" he won something like 19 world title fights and was a 2 division world champion which means he was genuine world class.

    Secondly no Eubank is not an ATG but no one considers him an ATG so why are you comparing Eubank to some of the greatest fighters of all time ? expecting Eubank to achieve what they did ?

    Again it makes 0 sense what you're saying.

    So why do you give Calzaghe alot of praise then for doing what you discredit Eubank of doing ? being a long reigning champion in a newer weightclass ? it seems like you pick and choose your agenda.


    Yes and as i said Eubank did exactly the same as Calzaghe he was a long reigning champion at Super Middleweight and then moved up in weight right at the end of his career.

    Except as i said Eubank moved up 2 weightclasses and fought a much bigger man.
     
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  7. Dynamicpuncher

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    I'm not being silly at all i just think you look at boxrec and have never watched his fights and don't properly research stuff as evident of when you called the likes of Pinklon Thomas, Mike Weaver, "journeyman" which was another very poor post and poorly researched on your part.

    Eubank was at the end of his career with over 20 world title fights moving up 2 weightclasses he'd never even fought at Light Heavyweight BTW. Taking on a much bigger stronger opponent and fought him tooth and nail in a great fight which actually adds to his greatness showing his toughness, heart, will. And yet somehow you think you're proving a point and think you're discrediting Eubank which is actually baffling quite honestly.

    So let me get this straight you're discrediting Eubank for not fighting those fighters even though they only fought primarily in Germany and weren't even in the same weightclass got you.

    Why doesn't any long reigning champion in 1 weightclass move up ? what you're saying is silly.

    Are you ok ?

    Again what is it with you ? Why are you comparing Eubank to ATG's ? your logic makes 0 sense. You said Eubank was a domestic level fighter your words not mine. And then you're asking me why Eubank can't have the same success as one of the greatest fighters of all time in Pacquiao that's an oxymoron my guy.

    I've already told you no one thinks of Eubank as an ATG so i don't know why you keep making these weird comparisons.

    He was a very good champion not an ATG and not a domestic level fighter like you're suggesting so as i said you're wrong on both accounts with your logic and reasoning.

    If that's true why did Calzaghe not move up sooner then ? again you praise Calzaghe for being a long reigning Super Middleweight champion but discredit Chris Eubank for doing the samething.

    You don't have the same agenda and pick and choose when you want to use it.

    Like you discredit RJJ, Mayweather, for never leaving America and then accuse Eubank for not fighting in America ? even though Eubank did travel outside of the UK numerous times.

    I'm not overrating anyone i think you're making some very bizarre comparisons and making some very poor posts that aren't researched properly.

    You keep repeating the same stuff i've already told you Eubank had over 20+ world title fights when he lost his first fight. And he had alot of wear and tear age is just a number that doesn't fit the same criteria for all fighters.

    You're saying "Eubank was never all that good" just shows me you haven't really got a clue and are just reading up on boxrec.

    A fighter who is a 2 division champion who fought over 20 world title fights is certainly better than what you're giving him credit for.
     
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  8. Perkin Warbeck

    Perkin Warbeck Boxing aficionado Full Member

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    You said he lost because he was old and faded. Eubank was just 28 when he first lost to Collins.
    No, I'm saying fighters like Badou Jack moved up when they were much older than Eubank was when he moved up, and won.

    You say he couldn't fight at light heavyweight because he was a super middleweight.
    Again: where would your beloved Chris Eubank have fought if he was around when that division didn't exist? WHERE WOULD HE HIDE?

    He never beat a single world class boxer. He was just a paper champion.
    I'm not comparing Eubank to ATGs. But if a great fighter can move up many weight divisions, then a good fighter can move up one division. If Eubank really was a good fighter, he could have fought and won at 175. Super middleweight did not even exist a few years earlier so it was really just 1/2 a division.
    Calzaghe beat Eubank. Joe beat good fighters like Kessler. Calzaghe had ZERO losses, Eubank had 5, all during his prime years (late 20s and early 30s).

    You disparage Calzaghe for not fighting Jones at 175 years before he did, but defend Eubank - isn't that a double standard?
    And LOST. Joe moved up and WON, becoming RING and LINEAR champ at 175.
    Super middleweight titleholder Badou Jack moved up to cruiserweight and WON, when he was much older than Eubank was when he fought Carl Thompson. And the current cruiserweight limit is 200, when Eubank fought Thompson it was 190. You are being a silly Eubank fanboy when you say Thompson was "twice as big".
     
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  9. Dynamicpuncher

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    I said he had wear and tear from fighting over 20 world title fights and that age is just a number it depends on a fighters career which somehow keeps flying over your head.

    I'm not even a fan of Chris Eubank out of the British fighters in that era Michael Watson was my favourite.





    He beat Watson x2, Benn, Holmes, Rocchigiani, who were all world class fighters Holmes was a former Super Middleweight champion and Rocchigiani was a former 2 weight division champion.

    Do people class Eubank as a great fighter ? again why do you keep comparing achievements of greats/ATG's to Eubank ?

    He was a good fighter and a good champion not exceptional but good and made the most his talent and ability.

    They weren't his prime years why do you keep assuming that ?

    How many times do i have to repeat Eubank had over 20+ world title fights before he lost his first fight and he'd lost his killer instinct after damaging Watson for his life after their brutal fight he had alot of wear and tear.

    Calzaghe defended the WBO belt which was lowly regarded for years just like Eubank no difference. Calzaghe does have a better resume than Eubank yes but no one is denying that, my issue is you're calling Eubank a domestic level fighter and saying he hid in the Super Middleweight in years.

    But Calzaghe did exactly the samething defended the WBO belt for years in Wales in the Super Middleweight division which you discredit Eubank for but praise Calzaghe for doing literally the samething.

    Hence you're inconsistent in your views.


    No you're being ridiculous and have never seen Eubank/Thompson in your life and are reading stats off boxrec.

    Go watch the fight Thompson was way bigger than Eubank and it was a great fight which adds to his greatness showing a great chin and a lot of heart against a much bigger man fighting 2 weightclasses above his best weight.

    As i've before the fact you're using that to discredit Eubank is baffling.
     
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  10. kirk

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    They are both good, well known fighters that are adding a new chapter to the Eubank vs Benn saga.

    They put in more effort and produced a better fight than many 'world champions' do.

    Being a champion isnt the only reason to watch a fight or fighter.
     
  11. Perkin Warbeck

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    Calzaghe beat Eubank, despite Eubank being a bigger man with a longer reach (as we can see in the video below, despite them being listed in BoxRec as the same size). Watch this fight and learn:

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  12. JusABoxinFan

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    So you think only world champions deserve to have media attention and high level support?

    Regardless of that......Do you not know who their fathers are? The entire rivalry is an extension of a bout that happened 3 decades ago. Their fathers are legends in their homeland and in the boxing world. The matchup is a legacy fight which gets media attention.
    And let's not go to the extreme and act like non elite fighters who've won nothing significant don't get a lot of publicity. There's this guy by the name of Ryan Garcia who has won exactly.....NOTHING. He's not even professional on the biggest stage, drinking the right before getting on the scale. And his goofy fans love him for it.

    Is this a thread to praise Janibek? Unless there's an official document that shows he's fighting either or both of them, not sure why he needs to be brought up to discuss the worth of THEIR LEGACY FIGHT.

    We need to really do some research on the sport before making threads to discuss. Too many Man Fans on here complaining about things that Boxing Fans understand already.
     
  13. Perkin Warbeck

    Perkin Warbeck Boxing aficionado Full Member

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    I understand all that, but the boxing media goes crazy over them, as if they were fighting for the middleweight linear and unified title.

    I just think the boxing media should shut up about them and pay more attention to the many better fighters, including some talented up-and-comers from the UK.
     
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  14. ChiefGego

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    Do you really not know why?
     
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  15. Dynamicpuncher

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    Eubank was scheduled to fight at Light Heavyweight vs Mark Prince and had 7 days to prepare for Calzaghe having to drop back down weight in which he was a late replacement for Collins.

    Eubank bigger than Calzaghe ? 5'10 vs 6'0 and both with a 73 inch reach ?

    I think you need to do more research other than looking up on boxrec for all your source of information.

    It's clear you haven't got a clue about the history or the background of what was going on at that time.
     
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