Could anyone out slug young Foreman?

I made a very compelling case for “Big” James amend your list. Seriously though it’s why GF wouldn’t last if he’d stayed, law of averages a Tate, Weaver, Cooney whoever would take his block off at some point with his defence and style… but keep it there unlike Lyle. He’d be an opponent type there would be no rivalry with Holmes he might not even make it up the ladder after Young lol he retired perfectly.

 

Unironically.

 

I agree, Unironically. look what Lyle did.

 

People have crumbled mentally in far less time

 

There you go and that’s Ignoring the obvious sparring etc - so sick of this narrative.

 

You’re right… oh poor millionaire combat athlete who lost to a seasoned HW champ in one fight of like 40… he was just distraught I can imagine. So… 70s GF was just unbelievably mentally weak compared to countless HW’s before and after that’s your stance? FAIR.
A guy named Lyle who had basically the same experience in a calendar year (loss to Young and Ali) against similar versions didn’t see Jesus or become “mentally fried” even after his loss to GF… he actually rematched the nightmare inducing Jimmy “the terror” Young.

 

Yes exactly, he was never the same after losing to Ali

This is quite obvious and has been stated a billion times by him and everyone around him

 

I mean the only FACT is it’s obvious he looked vulnerable in with ranked contenders in his prime? Is it just easier for you call him one of if not the mentally weakest HW champions? Couldn’t handle one loss as a 20 something millionaire? is that easier to absorb for fans instead of it perhaps being the fact he was fighting very good professional fighter's? Believe whoever you want but to me it’s plain cope.

 

I was actually going to make a thread specifically about how stupid and cringe the "Nobody beats Foreman going forward" narrative is, as if the laws of the universe prevent Foreman from losing to boxer punchers, sluggers or swarmers.

It's something that I'd expect people who've literally never seen / don't know anything about Foreman outside of his Ali and Frazier fights would say. I wouldn't expect it on Classic yet see it all the time.

Foreman is the most overrated heavyweight H2H on this forum and I don't think it's close. Tyson, Vitali (and briefly Fury) were by the wider boxing public but only on this forum will you hear people say that Foreman is such a massive, COLOSSAL ***** that everything post Ali wasn't his prime. It's pathetic.

It's an even worse version of the Tokyo Tyson narrative, only rivaled by the Part Time Duran narrative.

 

Win by purely outslugging a prime, young George Foreman? Nobody I ever saw could have done that. Mix in some boxing and I can think of a few.

 

George was a real terror in the ring during his peak years. Not many were equiped to survive the onslaught or had enough firepower to change Foreman's expression. It would have to be a really good finisher. The sooner safer as Jack Dempsey said.

I think Joe Louis had enough of the ingredients to have a chance during his prime years. Most importantly he had the guts to stand and deliver murderous combinations at midrange. His accuracy as well as precsion. Anything could happen with two legendary punchers. He might even have to climb off the canvas to do it but don't dimiss the Brown Bomber.

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Ike Ibeabuchi he had a granite chin and was bigger than a young Foreman.

We didn't see enough of Ibeabuchi to really make a strong case for him over Foreman but he wouldn't be a bad shout.

He certainly has better stamina than Foreman so if he could survive the first 6 rounds it would be trouble for Big George.

I think Joe Louis would also beat up Foreman by trading punches with his short sharp lethal combinations.

 

Many fighters aren't the same after their first loss, especially one who had built such an ego as Foreman, he genuinely never could even imagine losing to Ali. Then there's the "Ali effect", where people harass you constantly after fighting him

Frazier was never quite the same after BEATING Ali, how come Foreman can't not be the same after losing?

It isn't cope, it's just the truth. The Foreman that fought Lyle was not at his best. It's revisionist to say anything otherwise.

 

100% spot on! I don't think ANYONE--even Sonny Liston--outslugs Foreman in his heyday! (But Sonny would beat George using the combination of power and superior boxing skill.)

 

I'm afraid I find young George a rather over romanticised fighter. Yeah he swung, yeah he was powerful, but he was uncultured, he swung wide, he had a suspect engine and he could be hurt. I'd take Holyfield, Vitali, hell maybe a fighter like Parker with good basics and a decent chin to beat him. His record looks great because of Frazier and Kenny who were made for him. Usyk deserves more credit, in my opinion, for beating Fury than AJ because AJ was made for him, if you see what I mean. George beat a great and was beaten by the greatest but his younger self was beatable. Don't get me wrong, only by the best. But I think he's beatable. I think he'd do the same thing to Mikey as he did to Joe, might take a little longer, but honestly, I think a lot of the modern guys beat him.