How would Ray Robinson fare up against Carlos Monzón best MW opponents and vice versa?

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  1. Mandela2039

    Mandela2039 Philippians 2:10-11 Full Member

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    Trilogies exclusively for all of them:

    Ray fights:

    Emile Griffith
    Nino Benvenuti
    Jose Nápoles
    Rodrigo Valdez
    HM: Bennie Briscoe

    Carlos Fights:

    Jake Lamotta
    Randy Turpin
    Bobo Olson
    Gene Fullmer
    HM: Carmen Basilio

    Do both go undefeated or not? How much would they struggle?
     
  2. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    There’s a strong possibility that both go undefeated if they are at their best for all of those fights. Would it actually play out that way? Never know in this sport.
     
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  3. Mandela2039

    Mandela2039 Philippians 2:10-11 Full Member

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    bump cuz i genuinely wanna know the thoughts of everybody
     
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  4. FThabxinfan

    FThabxinfan Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Robinson beats em all, although Valdez and Benvenuti has a chance of cracking him, Griffith might cause him the most trouble with Valdez,because of his roughhousing.

    If we're talking about prime Turpin,he might spoil Monzon for a bit before the size disadvantage was too big, Fullmer might be able to bully Monzon for some time too,i'd even give him a pass at rocking him at some point.
     
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  5. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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    I could see Ray possibly picking up a loss to Napoles and Valdez.
    Clean sweep for Monzon
     
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  6. Mike Cannon

    Mike Cannon Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Hi Guys.
    For me they both go undefeated, reason being both are top 1/3 in the MWs ranking, the opponents are not, as for robert thinking that maybe Napoles would post a win over Robinson, not so sure a blown-up, cut prone, WW, would have the beating of Ray at 160.
    stay safe guys, chat soon.
    Mike.
     
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  7. TipNom

    TipNom Active Member Full Member

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    SRR:
    Robinson wins a highly competitive decision over Griffith, scores a knock down maybe. Goes 2-1 in a trilogy.

    Robinson stops Benvenuti in the mid to late rounds of a shootout. too fast and his combinations too good. 3-0

    Robinson wins a chess match against Napoles. Might manage a late stoppage. 3-0

    Robinson wins a clear but competitive decision over Valdez. 3-0

    Robinson beats Briscoe by UD in an at times competitive fight. 3-0

    Monzon:
    Beats LaMotta by UD. 3-0

    Beats Turpin by UD or possible late stoppage. 3-0

    Stops BoBo late. Decently competitive fight. 3-0

    Beats Fullmer in a very competitive fight, looks similar to his fights with Briscoe and Valdez. 3-0 or maybe 2-1

    Beats Basilio by UD. 3-0
     
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  8. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 Bob N Weave Full Member

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    Valdez vs Robinson would be one of my favourite fights ever, I know it would be.
     
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  9. Devon

    Devon Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Slaughters Griffith, ices Benvenuti at 154lbs, edges Napoles, outboxes Valdes and massacres Briscoe.
     
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  10. bolo specialist

    bolo specialist Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I could see either 1 running the table against his assigned group, but I'd more confidently back SRR since Nino, Griffith, & Napoles were all past their peaks to varying degrees when Monzon fought them, whereas all except maybe LaMotta out of the other group were squarely @ their peaks when SRR beat them.
     
  11. laxpdx

    laxpdx Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ray:
    He might drop a close one to Griffith, but ultimately win 2/3
    He would most likely TKO Benvenuti late. Would most likely do the same to Napoles, given Mantequilla's propensity for getting cut.
    He would outbox Valdez and Briscoe for close decisions.

    Carlos:

    LaMotta would bring pressure and was as tough as anyone . So would Bobo Olson and Gene Fullmer. But none would be able to truly get to Monzon. Carlos takes a comfortable UD over all three.

    Given his speed, strength and awkward style, Randy Turpin could give Monzon problems. However, he wouldn't be able reach Carlos consistently enough, and Monzon wins narrowly.

    Basilio was a great boxer puncher, but but big or strong enough to to mount a serious challenge. Monzon takes this by decision or possibly late TKO.