the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

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  1. Devon

    Devon Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Golovkin vs Canelo 1


    10/9 Golovkin

    10/9 Canelo

    10/9 Canelo

    10/9 Golovkin

    10/9 Golovkin

    10/9 Golovkin

    10/9 Golovkin

    10/9 Golovkin

    10/9 Canelo

    10/10

    10/9 Golovkin

    10/9 Canelo


    116-113 Golovkin.
     
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    Chris Eubank Jr vs Conor Benn

    1 Eubank
    2 Benn
    3 Benn
    4 Eubank
    5 Eubank
    6 Eubank
    7 Eubank
    8 Benn
    9 Eubank
    10 Benn
    11 Eubank
    12 Eubank

    116-112 Eubank

    Great scrap the later rounds were awesome.
     
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  3. scartissue

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    Virgil Akins v Don Jordan I (welterweight title)

    Round 1: 10-9 Jordan
    Round 2: 10-9 Jordan
    Round 3: 10-10 Even
    Round 4: 10-9 Akins
    Round 5: 10-9 Akins
    Round 6: 10-9 Jordan
    Round 7: 10-9 Jordan
    Round 8: 10-8 Jordan (Akins docked a point for roughhousing)
    Round 9: 10-10 Even
    Round 10: 10-9 Jordan
    Round 11: 10-9 Jordan
    Round 12: 10-10 Even
    Round 13: 10-9 Jordan
    Round 14: 9-9 Even (Akins' round but docked another point for butting)
    Round 15: 10-9 Jordan

    Total: 147-139 Jordan (actual scores: 145-132, 146-136 and 145-138 all for Jordan)

    Let me begin by saying that - IMO - this fight was a sham. We know from their respective histories that Akins and Jordan were mobbed up, but this really illustrates it. Nobody can tell me that Akins was giving it a try in there. I've seen quite a bit of Akins against Vince Martinez, Tombstone Smith and especially against Tony DeMarco. And believe me, this wasn't him. In those fights his punching was crisp and hard. He fought back when hit and should have gone through Jordan like tissue paper. Instead, he flailed with big slaps. He cowered when hit (and Jordan was no banger). He turned in a complete non-performance unless he was trying out for Broadway. Not often I would say this but a definite tank-job.
     
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    Chris Eubanks Sr vs Nigel Benn II

    That was a damn good fight, so many swings in momentum but I don't understand how the judges had it a draw with a point deduction. I had it 114-113 for Eubanks Sr. It was a close fight. I think the sons did a hell of a job as well.

    Eubank Sr rounds: 1, 5, 6, 7, 11, 12
    Benn rounds: 2, 3, 4, 8, 9, 10

    There was alot of close rounds especially toward the end of the fight I can see it 114-113 To Benn as well. A Draw just isn't possible even with even rounds scored. The judge obviously didn't score the round the way it was ruled with the point deduction. This should have been a split decision.
     
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  5. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Doug Jones v Billy Daniels II (NY scoring)

    Round 1: Jones
    Round 2: Daniels
    Round 3: Even
    Round 4: Jones
    Round 5: Even
    Round 6: Daniels
    Round 7: Daniels
    Round 8: Jones
    Round 9: Jones
    Round 10: Jones

    Total: 5-3-2 Jones (actual scores: 6-4 Jones and 2 scores of 5-3-2 and 5-4-1 both for Daniels on a split decision)

    To begin, I had no issue with this decision. It was a good close fight, but nothing of a recommendation to see. It was close but Jones waited too long. He was pinpoint when he did throw, whereas Daniels was throwing big looping lefts and rights. I can see how that could look more impressive at ringside, so again, no issue with the decision.
     
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    I watched that a couple years ago myself, and definitely agree. Tank job all the way.
     
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  7. McGrain

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    Chris John D12 Rocky Juarez

    I liked both these guys and it's classic in that it's right hand (Rocky) versus straight right hand (John). The differencemaker of course is the jab. John's jab as one of the best of the era, long, quite hard though not a thumper, and pinpoint. This fight was on the undercard of my favourite Juan Manuel Marquez performance, Diaz I, and John famously used that jab to control Marquez, of course. The first round is a squabble, I think arguable, but I preferred John's accuracy. He was definitely cleaner although I was surprised at how easy Rocky found him to hit with his own jab. I thought Rocky earned another close round in the second, he found him left handed to the head and occasionally to the body, a mess though, and i'm not sure he can keep this up as a strategy without giving away major counters. John solves the problem in the third, opening with a nice up jab, and mixing up the straight punches with some rowdy boy tactics, doing his own wilder punching while Rocky tries to cover up. The introduction of a right uppercut seals the deal and I disagree with Emanuel Steward that this is "very difficult to score" this round is clear cut. One and two were hard to score though.

    A very close by now familiar fourth went to Rock for me on a hard right hand in the final minute. IN the rest of the round it was about weighing John's jab against Rocky's bodywork and it is hard to know how to feel about it. An excellent, tricksy fight so far. Neither one has troubled the other with power, they're respectful of each other's hitting but nobody buzzed. Five is a big round for John though, he's still unhurt, but he's cut on the right eye by a right hand and generally out-fought throughout. Another clear sixth puts John firmly in control, Rocky having arguably won the second and fourth only although his claim to the first would make it even if you gave him the benefit of the doubt across the board. I scored him the eighth too - this means that it could also reasonably be 4-4. That's interesting. Juarez is being out-thought and out-fought but so far the mores of boxing means 4-4 is still reasonable. Fascinating ebb and flow in this fight, fascinating fight full stop, it's really excellent. John's problem isn't really a problem, he'll out-hit Juarez in most rounds you'd assume, still, but under the rules of the sport he hasn't shaken Rocky yet. Juarez's problems are clear in round 10 - he comes in, he gets tagged, he lands a good left hook, then John spends the next minutes throwing hard right hands behind the jab, some of which land, all of which cause Juarez to be careful about his pressure. As the fight has got late, John's right hand has become almost as accurate as his jab.

    So on my card, for the draw to be reasonable, Rocky would need the 11th and 12th both, then although i'd still have him losing I could see a perfectly reasonable card for 6-6. Juarez does himself no harm early in the eleventh, driving John back and taking control of the centre of the ring. He lets John off the hook while circling though and maybe his excellent stamina is starting to let him down a little - still, I think he nicked the 11th which was terrific. In the 12th they returnned to the mess of the opening rounds and fatigue made Juarez a winner in a rugged first 90 seconds. It's a clear 12th for a possessed Rock - 7-5 John, but the draw is Ok by me. Worth pointing out though that 9-3 John is also Ok by me.

    115-113 John.

    John:1,3,5,6,7,9,10.
    Rock:2,4,8,11,12.


    Official cards: 114x3.
     
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  8. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Victor Callejas v Seung Hoon Lee (super bantamweight title)

    Round 1: 10-9 Callejas
    Round 2: 10-8 Callejas (scores a knockdown)
    Round 3: 10-9 Lee
    Round 4: 10-10 Even
    Round 5: 10-9 Callejas
    Round 6: 10-9 Callejas
    Round 7: 10-9 Lee
    Round 8: 10-9 Callejas
    Round 9: 10-9 Callejas
    Round 10: 10-9 Lee
    Round 11: 10-9 Lee
    Round 12: 10-9 Lee
    Round 13: 10-10 Even
    Round 14: 10-9 Callejas
    Round 15: 10-9 Lee

    Total: 144-142 Callejas (actual scores: 145-141, 147-141 and 146-142 all for Callejas)

    Not remembering anything about this fight, it looked like it was going to be dominated by Callejas after the first 2 rounds. However, a funny thing happened shortly after that. Callejas appeared to be gassing after the first 5 or so rounds and Lee was doggedly pursuing the big banger and marking him up about the right eye. And I found myself rooting for the underdog with the heart I was seeing. And although Callejas got another wind and deserved the verdict, it was damn close on my card and there were a number of rounds I was simply yelling at Lee to get stuck in. Not a thrill a minute fight but a good, hard 15-rounder.
     
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    Vitali Kiltschko vs Larry Donald 2002

    1. 10-9 Kiltschko
    2. 10-9 Kiltschko
    3. 10-9 Kiltschko
    4. 10-9 Kiltschko
    5. 10-9 Kiltschko
    6. 10-9 Donald
    7. 10-9 Kiltschko
    8. 10-9 Kiltschko
    9. 10-9 Kiltschko
    10. Kiltschko knocked him down 4 times (round of the stoppage)

    Some surprisingly competitive action in R5 R6 and R7.
     
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    Chris Eubanks Jr vs Connor Benn

    1- 10-9 Benn
    2- 10-9 Benn
    3- 10-9 Benn
    Benn was fighting nicely in the first 3 rounds with good speed, aggressivity and head movements and feinting alot
    4- 10-9 Eubanks Jr
    Close round but a nice uppercut from Chris wins it in my book
    5- 10-9 Eubanks Jr
    6- 10-9 Eubanks Jr
    7- 10-9 Eubanks Jr
    Eubanks really picked it up in the last 4 rounds, his timing is much better and landing at a higher pace
    8- 10-9 Benn
    9- 10-9 Benn
    10- 10-9 Benn
    11- 10-9 Eubanks Jr
    12- 10-9 Eubanks

    My Score: 114-114 Draw

    That was a great fight, especially in the 12th and final round that turned out to be an all out brawl
    Hope they do it again
     
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  11. McGrain

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    Rolly Romero UD12 Ryan Garcia

    I like it when one fighter I don't care about eliminates another fighter I don't care about, it makes me care about the winner a little bit, too. Nothing noteworthy happened in the first, Garcia established his jab, it was exactly what you would expect to see but in the second Romero landed a double left hook, the first one doing the damage I think, looked high on the head, Garcia was a little more than flashed! Garcia I thought did re-establish himself a bit in the remainder of the round but he didn't throw anything really troubling, just that fast, fast jab. That fast jab does put him in control though IMO. The fourth round was close but I thought Garcia took it. It's hard to judge mainly because Garcia is so inactive and Romero's punches feel angrier. It's also a very, very boring first five rounds but they put Garcia in front in the fight 4-1 minus the KD. But Romero, in the second half of ths fight, was just boss. What mos impressed me was that he did it with a sort of weird pressure, nothing too fancy, he just identified that Garcia wasn't able to get moving, get going, for whatever reason, and slightly out-threw him over the whole of the rest of the piece. Dull, uninteresting strategically, but that consistency from Romero just won it for him, plus flutters of aggression in the 10 through 12. Probably about six of these rounds would be called even back in the day though. Nothing anyone needs to see.

    Garcia:1,3,4,5,6,
    Romero:2*,7,8,9,10,11,12.

    115-112 Romero.

    *Garcia down.
     
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  12. Saintpat

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    Alexis Arguello vs Claude Noel: Watched this short, curious fight. Not going to do a full report as it ended early in the third, and rather oddly.

    This is post-Pryor I Alexis vs the former WBA lightweight champ in a junior welterweight non-title go. Arguello timed a left hook in the first round that put Claude on the canvas — kind of a flash knockdown but Noel looked a little wobbly and his legs looked unsteady a time or two after catching punches after this.

    The second round is a really good scrap and I gave the narrow nod to Claude based on a couple of corking right hands to go along with a well-placed couple of left hooks and one left uppercut as he kind of flailed away while AA was playing patient sharpshooter.

    But something happened in that round. You can see Claude a few times reaching to his right hip and rubbing it or whatever starting around mid-round. It’s not obvious but he does it a few times. When he gets back to the corner, he tells the corner he can’t stand up and they try massaging the hip or whatever. All I could detect for cause were a couple of not-much-on-them left hooks to the body by Alexis and I don’t think they caused the damage — no instant reaction, not like a painful liver shot. I’m inclined the believe Noel pulled a muscle.

    They let the between-rounds go long, maybe 20-30 seconds, as they get Noel up and persuade him to try to continue, but pretty quickly in the third round he does a no-mas and waves it off.

    Alexis looked a bit shopworn here tbh — Noel is awkward but he certainly found the target with solid shots a few times. Arguello’s offense looks good but his reflexes and anticipation seem off.

    Given the damage Arguello was doing when he landed cleanly, I figure he would have stopped Noel had not the hip injury occurred, but seeing this underscores that he wasn’t going to beat Aaron Pryor in the rematch that was soon to follow.

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  13. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    A fun fight and a technical battle here, between a solid, underrated and skilled contender in Lewis and the Cuban who needs no introduction.

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    10 : 9
    10 : 9
    9 : 10*
    10 : 9*
    10 : 9 (49-46)
    10 : 9
    9 : 10
    9 : 10
    10 : 9
    10 : 9 (97/93)
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    Not too much difficulty in scoring this one imo, Napoles was clearly the winner. He just had a much deeper toolbox, and his sense of distance, timing and ability to stick punches to the other guy whenever they exchanged was clearly the difference here. Lewis wasn't outclassed in the sense that he was thoroughly dismantled, but he was outclassed in the sense that Napoles was just better at everything. I get the feeling that if Nap was a few years younger, this could've been a lot worse for Hedgemon.

    I like Lewis' habit of stuttering his jab. He throws a nice left hook off the jab too. He actually looks a little like Leonard in there, at least in terms of how he throws the jab, his hooks to the body, and how he holds himself in his guard and stance. He seems to mostly be a one handed, relying on his jab and left hook but he does occasionally find a nice home for a rear uppercut against Nap as he entered range.
     
  14. Saintpat

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    Watched Wilfred Benitez vs Tony Chiaverini, again no full round by round as it’s not necessary.

    This is El Radar in prime junior middleweight form. There was some question about whether he would handle the weight well or just be kind of out of shape, but he was sharp and full of vigor and showed no signs of under training.

    I gave Chiaverini the second when he got close and outhustled Wilfred narrowly, but it was quite the conundrum for the veteran contender from Kansas City. He was hopelessly outclassed from the outside but pressing Benitez to the ropes isn’t a winning strategy for anyone, really, as that’s where he’s most comfortable setting up to counter.

    By the third, Wilfred had the southpaw pegged and was able to land big shots in spurts, looping rights over the top and left hooks. Tony landed a few good uppercuts here and there, a couple of sharp lefts and dug to the body a few times but mostly he seemed to crowd himself too much to do any real work inside, kind of just clubbing and flailing … and of course hitting Wilfred cleanly is never an easy task for anyone.

    Benitez was rocking Tony with big shots to stagger him starting in the sixth and Angelo Dundee — Chiaverini had reached out and enlisted Angelo to manage him after his loss to Ray Leonard and won seven in a row, including nice victories over Tony Licata and Peppermint Frazier, before this fight — wisely called it after the eighth. Chiaverini was taking a beating and nothing he was going to do would be able to change that … seriously doubt he would have seen the final bell if it wasn’t stopped in the corner.

    Two fights later, Wilfred would take the junior middle crown from Maurice Hope in an all-time highlight-reel KO. Tony fought on for a while but never got back into contention.
     
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    10 : 9
    10 : 9
    10 : 9*
    9 : 10* (39/37)
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    9 : 10
    9 : 10
    9 : 10 (76/76)
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    Despite how good of a fight this is - and it is very worth watching - but it's disappointing imo. Napoles looks worse here than against Stracey, imo and while Muniz looked on fire, he was a little hard done by here. Give him the extra few rounds and he's probably a legit champion - and I didn't see a headbutt to cause the cut, so I'm not sure why it was a technical decision.

    However, Muniz worked wonders that night. He tied up Napoles left hand and kept his head on Nap's left shoulder to avoid the right. Napoles meanwhile, looked hittable and having no snap or presence in there. Even in the rounds he won, it was from clean punching but he wasn't able to dissuade Muniz. Muniz was an awesome ring general here, and he bossed Napoles from round one.
     
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