Could anyone out slug young Foreman?

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@JohnThomas1 @Pugguy
Here in this thread where there is 4 coaches present it gets broken down by yours truly and other contributors.

 

Weren't you done chatting and whining i was "insulting" you? Are you looking to incite? If i reply am i going to get reported again? LOL

You've been beaten from pillar to post in all this. If you think waffling on about foot position, pivot, transfer, the kinetic chain, a book quote or anything else is going to make you look like a boxing genius you need to get a good dose of reality.

Telling a guy like Pugs that he DKAB (note i left the S out because that's a bannable offense, but don't worry I'm not king dobber ) is the epitome of having no idea. You, in the words of the immortal Larry Holmes, "couldn't carry his jockstrap".

Go back to your candlelit dinner for two mate, it's safe territory lol

I'm past words with you. There was a reason i never engage you.

 

Blah blah blah (oh ow don’t make me report you ) here read and learn JT there is no fat on anything in that thread, it’s day 1 stuff shifting your weight properly is bedrock level and for you to call it “kinetic chain waffling” is really just exposing yourself here lol because… YDKSAB [url]https://www.boxingforum24.com/threads/how-to-use-the-jab.722109/[/url]

 

Again? If only Eddie Futch was here to read it.

 

He’d probably tell you to take note? JT my pal… quoting Joe Frazier’s own book and explaining the basic weight shifts are not “waffling” its fundamental and not rocket science would you like me to teach you? Consider it an olive branch.

 

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End point? Of course, you didn’t have one.

What does a city in India have to do with anything? My “Wall of Voodoo” clearly has you bamboozled.

Wow, you really have crashed and burned.

Hope you remembered to hit the eject button before your aircraft hit ground.

 

I tell you what. Someone has to knock you clean off your high horse and I've got a lot of time on my hands at the moment. I'll take one for the team and educate you.

You go thru your pet thread and cut and paste the meat of why Frazier's left hook is thrown, and i quote, improperly. Pinpoint this bedrock weight transfer thing you seem to be implying. I'll answer it in kind in the next 24hrs. You can then admit your follies and lack of knowledge.

@Pugguy - Leave this one with me.

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Read it yourself it’s not a hard thing to get JT yes I’ve been snarky but now you’re being a fool, you’d be “educating” a lot of very smart people if you think the way Frazier threw it was “right” the “right way” is when your weights transferred from the lead foot to the rear foot during this your hips should be turning the shoulders or some may hear instead in the gym “hands not getting in front of your hips” Frazier threw the hook off the front foot, you can see it, he says it in his book too… @Pat M @Saintpat and @greynotsoold are much more mature then me but they’ll tell you the same thing with no bias (he threw it wrong but it worked for him) when you do that (throw it off the lead leg) the pivotal point of the punch becomes your lead leg and you cannot shift your weight to your rear leg that way… meaning the punches force is “at” not “through” because you’re not “pulling” the weight back to your rear leg when throwing a hook like that (it’s as simple as it is) it castrates your right hand because it ruins the transfer of weight and that’s important for a multitude of reasons… it is not “proper” as there is no shift thus not fundamental thus “wrong” get over it I happen to be a rude gadfly that knows at the least this much more then you so suck an egg you rude fellow YDKSAB.

 

I see you edited your post. In the original post you claimed, you never stated Holmes would beat Foreman in a firefight but you wouldn't count him out.

Regardless, thanks for this. "Again, and for clarity, you disagree, and make some good points to support your argument." Wish I could say the same to you, but you haven't brought up a single valid argument Holmes has in his favor, should this go to a slugfest. In your defense, there isn't a single valid argument you could make for Holmes here. Which is why I think you're either a fanboy, or trolling. This opinion is so outrageous, I can't see how anyone can possibly say it with a straight face. Holmes himself doesn't believe such a thing.

"“Foreman could punch through a wall. I wouldn’t brawl with him—you’ve got to be smart with George.”

“I ain’t knocking Mike Tyson, but no.. George Forman would win in two seconds, he hit too hard.

Anybody come at George Foreman you got to box like I did, or Ali did, you can’t stay there and take those punches. They take your head off. Bam, bam, it’s like the kitchen sink he’s hitting you with.”

[url]https://www.secondsout.com/news/holmes-predicts-mike-tyson-george-foreman/[/url]

Considering how full of himself this guy is, and how he legitimately thinks he's the greatest of all time, this speaks volumes.

[url]https://www.secondsout.com/news/holmes-predicts-mike-tyson-george-foreman/[/url]

 

Ok, so. I've plucked the technical parts of your post that capture what you are claiming and why you believe Joe Frazier, greatest hooker ever, threw his left hook incorrectly. I'll try and get a reply up in the next 24hrs. Let me know if i have misrepresented you below. It seems pretty cut and dried. Just to keep it real only one supposed trainer signed off on this, not all three.

So the “right way” is when your weights transferred from the lead foot to the rear foot during this your hips should be turning the shoulders or some may hear instead in the gym “hands not getting in front of your hips” Frazier threw the hook off the front foot, you can see it, he says it in his book too…

meaning the punches force is “at” not “through” because you’re not “pulling” the weight back to your rear leg when throwing a hook like that (it’s as simple as it is) it castrates your right hand and ruins the transfer of weight and that’s important for a multitude of reasons… it is not “proper” as there is no shift thus not fundamental thus “wrong” get over it

 

There this clown goes AGAIN tagging people in when the kitchen gets to hot.

 

I only edited the post because due to the way this forum works on my phone certainly, it included a reply I'd started writing. What is reproduced are exactly my feelings and if you feel the need, you can trawl back through everything I've written on this subject and you will see I have been consistent in my opinion. For clarity...if it HAD to be a firefight, a slugfest, I think Holmes would beat Foreman. And if you think I haven't offered a single valid argument, we'll, that's on you brother. I've offered many reasons why I believe this over several different threads. That YOU don't accept them as valid is neither here nor there because you are not the ultimate arbiter of validity. You are also only offering opinions. And at the end of the day, that's all we got, ain't it? We will never agree on this matter man, and why should we? This will be the last time I reply specifically to one of your posts as I will admit, I find your style of posting diminishes and belittles your argument. You come across as combatative, arrogant and condescending, an easy option but for me, a lazy and limiting form of conversation. Take care man, it's been somewhat of a blast, peace and love, Px