the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

Don Jordan v Lahouiri Godih (NY rounds basis)

Round 1: Jordan
Round 2: Jordan
Round 3: Godih
Round 4: Jordan
Round 5: Jordan
Round 6: Even
Round 7: Even
Round 8: Jordan
Round 9: Godih
Round 10: Godih

Total: 5-3-2 Jordan (actual scores: 6-4, 7-3 and 7-1-2 all for Jordan)

This was a battle of two halves, with Jordan dominating the first half and Godih the second half. Jordan was very sharp with his jabs followed by a straight right, but seemed to take some time off instead of capitalizing on his dimensions by keeping Godih on the end of those combos. And invariably, he ended up on the inside mixing it with Godih. Godih, for his part, was no puncher - only 11 stoppages in his career - but he was a clubbing puncher. Moreover, if you took a break, he was just going to keep firing salvos at you and this is what got him back in the fight, on my card anyway. A good 10-rounder.

 

Haven’t seen this one but I like Don Jordan. I think it was against either Virgil Akins or Gaspar Ortega that I watched one of his fights and he was a real fighter’s fighter.

Sadly he died after being assaulted/mugged.

 

Yeah,do you think Jordan won legit vs Akins? I want to say it's legit because no fighters would've took a dive for 15 rounds,but look at Kid Gavilan vs Johnny Saxton...

 

FT, I recently scored this fight and was disgusted at the theatrical sham of a performance that Akins put on. One only has to view his previous fights against Tony DeMarco and Vince Martinez to see what a tank job this was. It was 15 rounds of Akins slapping rather than closing his fists the way he did against Martinez. And instead of standing his ground and countering the way he did against DeMarco’s bombs, he feigned timidity when Jordan would start jabbing. No doubt in my mind he went in the tank. One should not be surprised as both he and Jordan were mobbed up.

 

Emile Griffith v Joey Archer II (middleweight title - NY rounds scoring)

Round 1: Archer
Round 2: Griffith
Round 3: Griffith
Round 4: Archer
Round 5: Archer
Round 6: Even
Round 7: Griffith
Round 8: Griffith
Round 9: Griffith
Round 10: Archer
Round 11: Griffith
Round 12: Griffith
Round 13: Even
Round 14: Griffith
Round 15: Archer

Total: 8-5-2 Griffith (actual scores: 8-6-1, 8-6-1 and 8-7 all for Griffith)

A very close fight here, guys. So many of these rounds could be almost interchangeable, and probably would be if viewed on hi-def, if it existed back then. I think Archer did himself a disservice by infighting so much. I always felt he was an absolute footwork master at controlling the ring. And I felt it got very sloppy, despite Dunphy railing on about 'a great fight.' It was OK. Griffith found himself in the unusual role as aggressor and the fact that he was never a pressure-cooker type fighter likely held him back. It shouldn't have as Joey had no kind of a punch to make Emile worry in the least. Tempers flared as the decision was announced from the Archer camp and I would have liked to have heard what Freddie Brown said to Emile to set him off. Still in all, I think Emile did enough to retain his title.

 

Bernard Hopkins vs Jermaine Taylor 1

Hopkins : Taylor

1: 9 - 10
2: 9 - 10
3: 10 - 9
4: 10 - 9
5: 10 - 9
6: 9 - 10

57 - 57

7: 9 - 10
8: 9 - 10
9: 10 - 9
10: 10 - 9
11: 10 - 9
12: 10 - 9

58 - 56

TOTAL: 115 - 113 HOPKINS

I usually favour the cleaner, more effective puncher, and there was no difference here. I thought the commentators were a bit dismissive of Hopkins defence and counters, though both were grazing and deflecting a lot. A good bout to test the scoring muscles.

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Rough, I just scored this on that other thread, but it belongs here.

Bernard Hopkins v Jermain Taylor I (middleweight title)

Round 1: 10-9 Taylor
Round 2: 10-9 Taylor
Round 3: 10-9 Taylor
Round 4: 10-10 Even
Round 5: 10-9 Hopkins
Round 6: 10-9 Taylor
Round 7: 10-9 Taylor
Round 8: 10-9 Taylor
Round 9: 10-9 Hopkins
Round 10: 10-9 Hopkins
Round 11: 10-9 Hopkins
Round 12: 10-9 Hopkins

Total: 115-114 Taylor (actual scorecards: 116-112 for Hopkins and 2 scores of 115-113 both for Taylor by a split decision)

Hopkins simply waited too long to really get into the fight. Moreover, he never gelled with a very active energetic fighter. Hopkins liked to slow a fight down to a crawl, but when a fighter made him work he was taken out of his wheelhouse.

 

Dunno if any of you guys are interested in Muay Thai, but I've come across some absolutely great fights that are only 10ish minutes or less and they're well worth watching just for action.

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Pornsanae Sitmonchai is one of my most recommended Muay Mat(fist based Muay Thai fighters), relentless and hits hard with both of his legs/fists.

 

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Moon was past his best at this stage; he was never a skilled fighter at all, relying on raw momentum, excellent chin, sheer will and cement-mixer Cuevas'ish hands, but once his balance and timing slipped even a notch, he looked like **** and was no longer really even that effective as a puncher. He lost his title in his next fight. He'd had a long amatuer career and his pro one was basically a race against time, typical face first slugger short prime of about four years (87/88-92)...

I tend to think you're right that in a pre junior/super weight and multiple weight era, he's the sort of fighter that might never have been a champ at all...just seen as a colourful, highly dangerous contender with some good wins/losses. But I don't agree with the implication (if i've read you right) that he got the title because he fought weak comp...his challenges were against other high quality fighters like Khaokor and Nana Konadu.

The Konadu fights are really in particular the ones that secured his status as being a highly dangerous slugger/pure puncher at his peak. Konadu was at that time a scarily effective looking boxer-puncher that had thoroughly dominated an only slightly past prime (if at all) version of Gilberto Roman. He had fine skills (sort of like a more refined Quartey), looked strong as an ox and had great power of his own, looking like someone that might be the next long running beltholder, but Moon hurtled into him like an unpredictable avalanche despite taking some brutal punishment and broke his spirit. Those fights (or the thoroughly one sided dispatching of a now past it, but still crafty Roman) are the equal of anything someone like Cuevas produced, imo. Konadu never really recovered from those losses, but he showed a strong flash of the potential he had once had again when finally stepping up as an aging, past prime fighter himself when he caved in the excellent Sahaprom at Bantamweight many years later.

So while as i say, I agree that there's a good chance a one-dimensional guy like Moon (or Khaosai Galaxy too) wouldn't win a title (or wouldn't hold it as long) in the cutthroat times of less opportunity, I do think he was formidable enough in his niche that no matter the era, he's the sort that might just cave the favourites face right in if they don't get quickly to terms with the unorthodox heavy handedness in front of them. Plenty of crude looking sluggers and maulers have surprised in all era's.

 

This is one of my favourites from that era. Green just didn't have the power or durability to take the next step with his style, though Palomino would probably have been the wrong matchup even if he was a few notches better in those areas. Carlos had a granite chin and was always going to outclass a fighter like Green in the exchanges.

I do think that alongside the Muniz bouts and a few others, it did expose some of Palomino's shortcomings....slow feet, methodical to a fault, and just too easy to regularly hit flush for a boxer-puncher aspiring to greatness unless you're rocking power like an Arguello. He's a really enjoyable offensive fighter to watch work away at brawlers. That uppercut/short hook or jab combo was beautiful.

 

Lora, not to denigrate the fighter, my summation was on the competition level of the multiple title era. In a single champ era, competition was rife just to get near a title fight. Moon did indeed fight good fighters as champion as you mentioned, but I was talking about getting the title shot. And there was no way Moon would have been near it with 6 fights under his belt in a more competitive era. He wouldn't have even been considered a prospect in the days of Olivares, Castillo and Herrera with 6 fights. More like a club fighter in South Korea since he hadn't even won a national title, let alone an OPBF title. But I don't doubt he would have been moved well since he had an exciting style. Just not at the rate he went at in a diluted era.

 

Yeah, the title fights after only a year or two as a pro thing is something that was a symptom of the multi belt late 70s/80s + era.

There's also certain specific things that made it more likely to happen at the lower weights between two asian fighters of that era as well, like Muay Thai at that time transferring well enough to boxing that experienced fighters transitioning from that sport were comfortable with taking an early title shot chance if they could get it. Or the clout that high profile amatuers/prospects from S.Korea/Japan had to get an early shot at those weights, especially if against another relatively local foe.

An interesting contrast to someone like Hiroshi Kobayashi holding the japanese featherweight title for many defences without being able to get a world title bout for a long time.

 

Hiroshi Kobayashi is a great example of what it means to fight for the title as opposed to someone who wants to win the title. Kobayashi had 58 fights behind him, having fought Kang Il Suh, Jaime Valladares, Vicente Derado, Bobby Valdez, Mitsunori Seki and Pedro Gomez before getting his title shot. In other words, he learned his trade and was ready for that title shot. In contrast, let's look at a kid I watched named Hideaki Kamishiro. He was a nice prospect but rushed into a title fight after only 7 fights and against Sot Chitalada, no less. He was thumped badly and retired after 7 rounds. And he retired afterwards. A very bright prospect ruined IMO. He had no chance against Chitalada but that didn't stop promoters or his management from going ahead with the fight. Nor, did it stop the WBC - that bastion of ring safety - from approving the mismatch for the title. This is what happens when you have 4 guys (champions) out there looking for work. The top 10 is diluted, and challengers are unprepared and inexperienced.