Joshua vs Ortiz in 2018

Ortiz would land heavily on Joshua. Eddeh clearly didn't want any part of him in 2018. I'd have to favor the Cubano southpaw of 7 years ago, he was very confident with the 0.

Ironically Wilder gets criticized for his resume but an undefeated Ortiz would be Joshua's 2nd or 3rd best win. They didn't want it.

 

Every category except...boxing ability. You know, that ol' category.

 

There’s nothing to suggest that Ortiz is the better boxer. AJ has always demonstrated that he has more skills and against better opposition. The only tool Ortiz has is a strong counter left.

 

Jab, movement, timing all favor Ortiz...there's nothing to suggest Joshua is a better boxer. His only dominant boxing win is 283lb blob Andy.

 

You're right - I remember there was rumours of AJ fighting Ortiz after he beat Wlad but both fighters had other plans really.

 

Ortiz had cement feet and a slow measuring, jab. His power and timing were good, but that’s it, he never outboxed anyone of note. He also lost against Ruiz as well so it’s odd that you brought him up.

 

Ortiz was older that fossilized dinosaur crap, younger Ortiz from Jennings fight smokes Ruiz

 

Looking great against Jennings doesn’t mean much. I don’t like Ruiz but running It close with Parker and actually beating AJ are two feats Ortiz never came close to. He had two shots to prove he was world class and got brutally stopped both times.

 

Why would AJ fight him in 2018? He unified with Parker who was rated above Ortiz and fought his mandatory in Povetkin who also was rated above Ortiz. So you basically saying AJ didn't want any parts of the fighter who was considered lower class than the guys he fought and beat, lol. On top of that Ortiz clearly chosen the PBC route and was scheduled to fight Wilder.

 

Joshua rallies and stops Ortiz after being dropped and rocked a few times, he’d get walked on to a fair few straight lefts, Ortiz was great at walking guys onto that sniper like left, and Joshua was straight up and stiff.

 

Not to mention Ortiz later turns down a ridiculous amount more money for a Joshua fight in order to go back and try to beat Wilder second time around.

Ortiz best win, Jennings, isn't that impressive - Jennings was overhyped as hell considering his greatest achievement was to lose very wide (rightly) against Wlad... But then, he was an American in an era where the US produced very little of note, so I guess it's to be expected.

I guess Ortiz greatest achievement (similar to Jennings own), was in defeat - where he can claim to have been denied a KO victory in the first Wilder fight due to referee interference... But that's only super impressive if you rate Wilder, and Wilders own resume hinges on Ortiz.

I don't think going 1-1 (as it probably should've been) with a limited fringe contender with power and not much else makes Ortiz anywhere near legit... And at that point in time, Joshua had been fighting the absolute best available and beating them.

This would've been a 70-30 for Joshua - Ortiz wasn't stupid, he knew he'd lose badly and wanted no part (just as Wilder didn't, for much the same reason).


There's a lot of revisionist BS around Joshua - he's a horrible man and it wasn't a special era, but he was the dominant fighter for several years and the amassed the strongest resume... Conversely, Ortiz reputation was always somewhat manufactured hype.

 

Yeah, that happened to. Avoided like hell, LOL.

That was a cracking fight! One of my favorite out of that era. Wilder showed heart and chin and Ortiz showed his top form. Which still wouldn't be enough for prime AJ. I don't think Ortiz was better than Povetkin at any boxing metric.

AJ haters are braindead and usually it takes 1 Google search to disprove their false narratives.

 

To be fair, it was a great fight - regardless of how you rate either man.

And nowhere near on most metrics.


Would Ortiz even make Joshua's top 5? It'd be close, but debatable IMHO.
He'd certainly be below Wlad, Pov, Parker and Ruiz - so it's 5th at best - but then would old Ortiz rank above young Whyte (considering Joshua was also green)? Or old Pulev?

 

Ortiz KO's him

Wilder did well to survive Ortiz...

 

Joshua's two biggest fans, Bubblesuk & MaccavelliMac once again agreeing that yet another dangerous fighter turned down a career high payday against Joshua.

No one is surprised that such dedicated, die hard fans believe that a power punching CUBAN would turn down a CAREER HIGH PAYDAY against a fragile golden goose.

You can't make it up, folks.