Jones Jr v Golovkin At Middleweight

BCS8,

Context.

Who is he tracking down in those videos?


Yes, his footwork is good.

But he hasn’t seen anyone like Roy before.


I can also post many highlight videos of very good-great fighters, who couldn’t deal with Roy at all.

Against who?

Mostly B and C level guys.


Canelo made him cautious. A slow Canelo, with slow feet and a short reach.

First of all, the video is of a decent puncher, 2 levels up at LHW, who was 180 plus pounds on the night.

Now that smashes your theory that Roy couldn’t take a shot. Otherwise he’d have been knocked out.


Your facts only happened, again 2 divisions higher than this hypothetical fantasy fight, when Roy was 35, and after he’d had 50 fights, post HW.

That does not help you here in any way whatsoever.


The fact is: Roy toyed with Castro, Tate and Malinga at GGG’s weight, and he easily beat Hopkins with one hand.

A weight where GGG could barely beat Derev and Jacobs.

It’s a carefully selected highlight video.

I could put together a video of La Motta and Gatti showing great defensive prowess.


I’ve watched his entire career.

He has nothing more than a decent defence.


In many of his fights, he’s been very easy to hit. Very open, with little head movement.

I’ve seen Kell Brook land rapid fire combinations on him. I’ve seen Jacobs and Canelo land many power punches on him.


Roy would have found him very, very easily.

GGG is a great fighter.

He’d have had a chance.


But the stylistic match up would have favoured Roy.

And if you look at who they’ve fought, and who they’ve beaten, with the manner of the victories, Roy would also be favoured.


GGG’s only elite level fighter has been Canelo. A small Canelo who made him cautious.

Again, he barely beat Derev and Danny Jacobs.


So why on earth would he have been favoured over a guy who beat Toney, Hill and Hopkins with ease, and who beat other world level opposition emphatically, across 3 divisions, where he barely lost rounds in a period of 15 years??

It’s nonsensical to have favoured GGG.

Nothing in his history would have made him the favourite in this fight.


Roy would have been the significant favourite by any metric.

 

Jorge Castro was a very good fighter.

He couldn’t get near Roy.

 

Sosa rushed him.

GGG doesn’t fight like that.


I don’t remember Malinga having him on the ropes, but I’ve not seen the fight in a while.


In most of the Tarver fights, Roy voluntarily backed himself into the ropes.


Roy could also in-fight off of the ropes with great uppercuts, hooks and body shots.


GGG’s a great fighter. But he hasn’t seen anyone like Roy. He hasn’t proven he could beat anyone like Roy. He has struggled with B level guys.

Roy would have found him easy to hit.


All things considered, Roy would have been the significant favourite.

 

I don’t know where this comes from.

Roy could use great in-fighting skills, whilst leant back on the ropes for leverage.

I’ve seen him lean back and throw combinations, with uppercuts from either hand.

I’ve seen him throw double hooks and body shots off of the ropes.

He hardly ever used to in-fight in the centre of the ring, but often off of the ropes and in the corners.

I’ve just watched the Lacy fight again recently.

Now that fight had zero importance, because both guys were simply no longer world level fighters at that point. However, his in-fighting skills were great in that fight, which again was replicated in many of his other fights.


You’re forced to go against the grain, and choose GGG, because a certain section of people have been in your opinion, ignorant?


Just choose the guy based on styles.

Based on their history.


GGG could barely beat Jacobs and Derev. He’s easy to hit with a small reach.

Roy was ultra fast, and would have found him easily.

He was also more proven.


It’s common sense and logical to have given GGG a chance, but to have favoured Roy.

 

yes he could, there were plenty of times he got in close & forced him to the ropes.

& Castro had already been made to look no less impotent vs. Terry Norris.

 

He couldn’t win a round.

Then a few years later, he went on to give Reggie Johnson and David Jackson great fights.

Castro was a quality fighter.

 

Which isn't what you said - you said, "He couldn’t get near Roy," which is a demonstrably false statement. He had moments in almost every round where he drove Roy to the ropes, landed a flurry to the body & an occasional overhand right to the head.

 

Jeez.

It was a fight.

I wasn’t speaking literally.

I said that he couldn’t get near Roy, because Roy won with ease, on cruise control.

He controlled every round.

He wasn’t hurt.

He wasn’t dropped.

He wasn’t in any trouble whatsoever.

He was a young kid, who won very comfortably.

It was very impressive.

Yes, he got punched.

It goes without saying.

Stop being argumentative.

Roy beat a world level fighter with ease.

And Castro would easily have been a top 10 win for GGG.

Possibly even higher.

 

I actually think Castro would have an excellent chance of beating GGG.
Roy Jones did not have a weak chin by any means and his chin was Soild.
Jones would spar with heavyweights and he wasn't getting knocked out.
What happened to Jones is after years and years of boxing his skills and body gave out.
People do not like perfection so any little thing they can pick out to diminish it they will.

 

Jones easy UD.

 

Roy PLAYED with Maligna and then knocked him out.
It was an insane performance also based on what Maligna went on to achieve LATTER in his career.
Roy made it look so easy vs a seasoned pro.

 

The converse is also true.

They were not Golovkin and nor did they fight liek him.

Nonsense. You are inventing stuff. An OLD Golovkin threw a ton of punches against Canelo and lit him up. Lemieux punches harder than Jones and Golovkin took him apart like a watch.

Lou "The Vanilla Destroyer" del Valle! You heard it here first from Loudon, folks!

The stories of Lou's awesome punching power are legendary.

Mike Tyson has posters of Lou up over his bed.

Lou has to start knocking on doors from 2 feet away in case he collapses the building.

It's true! Just ask "Lou"don

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Sometimes if GGG feels like the other guy has nothing for him, he doesn't give a ****. Abel Sanchez has been caught on mic telling Golovkin "no free shots". I guess that it is a macho thing. However, it's very clear from the videos that Golovkin has an excellent defence when he pays attention to it. Jones is a good puncher, hence I believe that GGG would give his defence the necessary attention.

Naw, that's incorrect. Stylistically and technically, Golovkin is ahead of Jones.

What would have favoured Roy is his freaky steroid-speed.

However, Golovkin's ring-cutting ability, and his ATG jab are part of the antidote for a speedster. Jones would have found the ring much smaller than he was used to. Golovkin went well to the body of guys with fast twitch reflexes. He destroyed Proksa like that. Golovkin's ability to time his opponents and figure them out is another part of what Jones would find problematic. There's a reason why OLD Golovkin was still able to compete at the highest level - he was technically very sound. There's a reason why older Jones fell apart - once he lost his speed, he did not hold a technical edge over his best opponents.

GGG threw 879 punches against Canelo. That's cautious?
Jones threw 614 punches against Toney. I guess Toney had Jones terrified.
Jones threw 526 punches against Hopkins. I guess Hopkins had Jones scared shitless.

You do make a point: RJJ would not be able to handle the pace that Golovkin sets.

You really need to think before you post

Because Jones is not very tough and his chin is fragile. Golovkin is one of the divisions greatest punchers and he has stamina for days and fights at a pace that Jones has not seen.

That's your opinion, and your opinion is not very good.

 

GGG doesn't last against Roy's resume. Someone eventually beats him be it Hopkins, Toney, McCallum, Johnson or guys in the upper weights like Hill. But Roy clears GGGs resume comfortably. He's way faster than Golovkin and stack KO power on top of that GGGs aggression is getting tamed here

 

I like Jones.
Too good at everything at that weight.

 

BCS8,

Roy has experienced guys with great footwork from multiple divisions.

GGG hasn't experienced that.

They were guys considered as being the same calibre as GGG.

And nobody in GGG's highlights were even remotely like Roy.

He lit him up?

Ha!

Yeah, it's me who's inventing stuff.


Back in the real world, we were going to have the 'big drama show'

Yet what happened?

GGG didn't cut off the ring and force Canelo to fight aggressively. No. He stood off of him. He boxed him. He wasn't overly aggressive. He didn't try and walk him down and get him out of there. He boxed way more than what he fought. They never had a war. A shootout. And that was against a small Canelo, with a small reach and slow feet.

Yet you're trying to tell me that he'd definitely have cut the ring off against Roy, and he'd have knocked him out.

BS.


Lemiuex punches harder than Roy?

Really?


Also, Lemieux was a B-C level fighter.

He was one of GGG's best wins, yet he wouldn't have made a top 10 win for Roy.

Here comes the predictable sarcasm, as you've shot yourself in the foot.

Nobody has said that Del Valle was great, and a great puncher.

However, he was clearly a decent puncher, if you possess knowledge of him, and he caught Roy up at LHW, where he weighed in the 180's.

And that completely exposes the myth that Roy had a glass jaw and would be easily knocked out at MW.

I don't need to see specific highlights of where he showed good defence, against mostly low level fighters.

I can just rewatch Brook, Jacobs and Canelo etc, hitting him flush with ease.

Oh.

So you've now changed your mind, and he did in fact get hit with flush shots?

That's funny, because you've just told me to go to Spec Savers.


Obviously, GGG was just being macho against Brook, Jacobs and Canelo etc.

No. It is not incorrect.

GGG was considerably slower than Roy, and much, much easier to hit, with a small reach.


Roy didn't fall apart until he was 35, after 50 fights.

This fight would have taken place at MW, when Roy was in his mid 20's.


Yes, he was technically very sound. But so were guys like Toney, Hill and Hopkins, who couldn't track him down, as he was so elusive.

Technical fighters, who were just as good as GGG, couldn't find him at various weights.

And he was even sharper and quicker at MW.


Yes, Roy would have found GGG problematic. Of course. But it would have been an easier stylistic match up for Roy, rather than for GGG.

What don't you understand about the fact that Roy easily beat Castro, Tate, Malinga and Hopkins, plus other top fighters up at higher weights, whereas GGG went life and death with Jacobs, Canelo and Derev?


Roy's history would have made him the favourite. He obviously wouldn't have been guaranteed a win, but he would definitely have been favoured.


The stylistic match up would have had him favoured.

A smaller, slower fighter, who doesn't have one punch knockout power like Jackson and Gerald, and who was easy to hit, and who struggled with fighters who weren't on Roy's level, who Roy and many other great MW's would have beaten with ease.

You love your stats don't you.

But what do I always tell you?

Context is the key.


I don't care what the punch stats were.

I'm not going to even check whether you're right.


The point that both me and Dino have made, is that Canelo made him cautious. He made him cautious, as in - he was content to box with Canelo, instead of fighting him really aggressively, where he went after him and tried to take him out with lots of power punches.


The stats alone are not a fair reflection of a fight.


Roy couldn't have stood the pace?


1. It's a huge assumption on your part that he'd have set a fast pace.

2. Other, lesser fighters have coped with it, where they almost beat him.

You say this, yet have actually posted a video that proves the opposite.

Again, GGG doesn't always set a high pace, as evidenced in many of his fights.


My opinion is fine.

It would help your case far more, if GGG hadn't struggled with guys like Derev and Jacobs.

If he'd have beaten them with ease, like how Roy did to many comparable fighters, then your opinion would hold a lot more weight.


At the end of the day, GGG has beaten no prime HOF/ATG fighters emphatically.

He hasn't even emphatically beaten non great fighters.


Roy was more proven.


Roy would have been favoured.