Is this physical proof that past heavyweights would get destroyed by modern giants

I think Fury vs Usyk is the better comparison. Both incredibly talented boxers, two close fights with the smaller man coming out on top twice.

 

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Define "modern"

I dont think guys from the 80s/90s would look small compared to the current crop. Obviously you can get anomalies like Zhang and Fury but then on the other hand the no1 HW right now is Holyfield sized.

 

Tyson was 5" 10" what he would do in His Prime to this lot would be scary.....And Tyson is not in my Top 5 Heavyweights....A lot on here over rate this lot of Heavy's Very ordinary lot in my opinion.......And this is just my Opinion.!!!

 

Usyk is taller than Holyfield. Usyk is a dimensional clone of Muhammad Ali, actually.

 

Tyson would swing wildly for a few rounds and gas out. He's David Tua with more hype.

 

I mean...half an inch taller yeah.

But yeah the Ali comparison works too.

 

Yeah you're right.

Tua who never won a single world title fight is comparable to Tyson who had over 10 world title wins and is ranked amongst top 10 Heavyweights of all time.

"Tyson would gas out after a few rounds"

Yeah that's why he lost to Bonecrusher, Ruddock, Tucker, Tillis, fights that went the distance oh wait a second.....

 

No

Rules were different. There's absolutely zero outliers in 3k years of boxing history. Meaning that era when fights had no scheduled end and the era when 175 was the average size for a HW being the same is explained by biology.

12 rounds and 3 minute rounder made for the era of the super HW. Simple as that. Go back to old rules you will get old results.


Something of a trend in modern times. To do what we know our ancestors did while arrogantly expecting different results than our ancestors' results.


buzzwords get thrown around like science and medicine by people who clearly didn't look for a scientific or medical reason to explain why the majority of the 3k years boxing has existed is dominated by 150-175. Resume, friends, is not scientific or medical. However metabolic rate is.


Short fights with frequent breaks favor big men's metabolic rates.

Long fights with few to no breaks favor smaller men's metabolic rates.

Simple, scientific, easy to understand, for some reason controversial in boxing circles.


Featherweight, if by poundage, was the deadliest division, it remains the deadliest division. Weight divisions did little but make more champions and condition a fan base to ignorantly believe it is possible to gain a value without losing a value elsewhere. Made boxing more safe? Same exact sized men are dying ... failed at it's explicit intent of making boxing more safe by ensuring men of the same size fight one another exclusively.

Science is not a nexus magical word you can use to prove anything through allusion alone, children. Science begs method. A method that does not feature hall of fame ranked wins as a viable variable.

 

I've been watching these so-called modern heavyweights for some time now, overall, historically they are a mediocre bunch .

 

Basketball also has athletes growing in weight I think? But then again, maybe not - someone compared the 92 dream team to the recent almost-lost-to-sudan-team and apparently they had similar weight no matter whether compared by ranking or all of them summed up. Countering my own argument here.

Still I have the feeling that nutrition, professionalism (the old timers did not have a team of sports scientists and nutritionists around them) and probably new kinds of doping have changed the competitors.

Hard not to go for that heavy muscular physique when it brings you so many advantages. Your basic requirement is to be tall enough. Then you have the option of drugging up and overwhelm early opponents with size rather than skills, collecting knockouts and gaining a hype-community that wants to emulate you, while not understanding boxing. You make a lot of money, can come later to boxing and when you get found out as not the real undertaker it is late in your career if you've been properly managed.

If you're heavy to begin with they probably have stuff to keep you upright for half an hour, too. See big baby miller...

Ok, this weird and erratic rant is over. I like that usyk is the total difference of that. But let's not forget how skillful fury was and that he does not fit the profile of heavy behemoth that would be beaten by former champions.

 

Couldn't agree more
Bigger, but certainly not better