¿Which of them do you think would give Prime Ali a more worthy fight?

I never said that struggling with Norton is bad or worse then struggling with Huck it’s realistic those are good pros good pros know how to fight lol so don’t put words in my mouth… it’s evident Ali can be beaten and struggle with guys at that level guys who aren’t ATG’s just solid much like say Haye and Povetkin… contenders contend sometimes they dethrone the champ and ignoring that fact has created an environment where people use the words “ATG HOFers” as a ward for discussion, non greats with the right style beat “greats” but here it’s “oh xyz puts up a decent fight - maybe he stuns him but losses by UD.” On mass - Or extremes where whoever the most recent fighter is cops the jowly sentimental dribble “LOL new guy can’t beat OLD GUY what a idiot” Povetkin and Haye are absolutely plausible choices to finish off or improve on what Enry Cooper, Ken Norton and Doug Jones started (It’s unlikely but not improbable) but here in Boomer classic admitting hey maybe Chisora has the goods for Frazier or Bonecrusher could devise a strategy for Foreman based on the evidence or perhaps Byrd is a terrible match up for Ali… alien concepts, never entertained at all and new posters are brow beaten by nostalgic wind bags and hipsters because the HW 70s is the most jerked off era in boxing lol.

 

Yep one win over an out of shape Ali, Shot Quarry and Uncle Jimmy… sounds about as good as Buster Douglas’s record, bit better overall, if not for his series with Ali we’d be looking at a pretty normal run of the mill good pro. Not dissimilar to a few other fighters who ran Holmes close or guys who put up a fight against other champions and ultimately lost he’s more of a Corrie Sanders though, not an ATG.

 

Lol, nice false narrative.

Meanwhile, in the real world: -

One offical and deserved win over Ali, a razor thin loss to a best possible shape second career Ali in the rematch that could’ve gone either way and a clear winner over Ali in the rubber which should’ve seen Ken win the title in the ring.

An older, past prime Norton ran a very near prime Holmes to an extremely close decision over 15 rounds - no you don’t have anything similar -

As much as you tried, a quick, dismissive reference/gloss over of Norton beating Young at Young’s best doesn’t serve to minimise the magnitude and obvious quality of that win.

 

I have said nothing but the truth, you on the other hand try to milk losses and one win over Uncle Jimmy (that Occasio shares x2) for all there worth … do you think Norton is an ATG? I think not personally he’s an example that the gap isn’t that wide between fighters like Povetkin, Norton, Witherspoon and Louis, Ali, Lennox and that dismissing every single non great HW (or boxer in general) with laughing emojis, “LOL” or some other variation of nonsense is usually dumb - it’s a forum to discuss boxing and boxing is a bit more layered then “ATG” “HOF” and the mythologising and amateur poetry I read here from you and others as the be all end all.

 

You don’t speak the truth. You can’t handle the truth. Lol.

Ali-Norton 2 could’ve gone either way. You specified an out of shape Ali (fight 1) ignoring a best possible conditioned Ali for the rematch.

Who do you really think won their rubber match? Are you going to err on the side of argument again and say Ali?

I’ve provided due qualifications re Norton’s close fights against two ATGs - it’s hardly milking losses - that’s just another dumb assertion on your part.

Do you even watch these fights or do you just rec range your way through?

You’ve tried to relegate Norton to the status of club fighter - that is completely ignorant.

No one has claimed that Norton was an ATG - a pathetic strawman - why do you always talk out of your proverbial?

No, Norton doesn’t rate as an ATG - but that doesn’t default him to club fighter as you’ve ridiculously tried to frame him.

Norton was a very good - excellent fighter and his overall resume is and obvious attributes as a fighter are far better than those of the average bear and not just woven around his fights vs Ali.

If you’ve seen the Young - Ocasio fights and are actually honest, you would acknowledge that those versions of Young were a far cry from the Young who fought Norton.

Did you mention that Young came in at a blubbery and poorly conditioned 220 lb for the first Ocasio fight? - no, of course you didn’t.

He trimmed for the second fight but was hardly the same fighter still. He also suffered cuts at different stages that clearly bothered him.

Anyway, it’s clear that you don’t know what you’re talking about yet again.

 

I had Ali Norton 2 7-5 in favor of Ali.

 

That’s cool - same as ref Dick Young. The other two judges had it 6-5, one for Ali and Norton respectively. A very tight fight imo.

 

By far Jack Dempsey

 

Good fight to see for sure.

 

Lol, I just saw this. Pray tell us more….

 

Lets be honest his entire claim to fame as an excellent fighter is based on the Ali and Holmes fights of which he lost all but one officially. Outside of that he has a win over a shot Quarry and a close fight against Young that could have gone either way. Not exactly a deep resume nor has he shown success against multiple styles to favor him in any serious H2H discussions.

 

Dempsey or Johnson for sure, Dempseys pressure style would definitely make it hard for Ali to move around like normal and Johnsons defense would be an issue for Ali in my mind.

 

Doug Jones gave Ali his closest/toughest pre-exile fight, & Cooper's left hook provided 1 of the single biggest scares of Ali's career - 2 Dempsey-sized fighters who surprised or unsettled Ali w/ their combined handspeed & power. I'd say Dempsey was capable of anything either fighter could do & likely much moreso.

 

Yeah I know a chunk of people felt Norton won.

 

I called him a “club so-so fighter” or something like that but you seem to have your blinders on to everything else I wrote and bit on the bait hard lol.

“Norton wasn’t a special fighter”

“Great fighters cut it close with less then themselves, sometimes they lose”

“Norton was a well managed decent pro nothing special at all, barely if at all above guys like Douglas, Povetkin or Haye IMO.”

“his reputation for being a “buzz saw” is hysterically overrated.”

“I never said that struggling with Norton is bad or worse then struggling with Huck it’s realistic those are good pros good pros know how to fight lol”

“it’s evident Ali can be beaten and struggle with guys at that level guys who aren’t ATG’s just solid much like say Haye and Povetkin… contenders contend sometimes they dethrone the champ”

“Yep one win over an out of shape Ali, Shot Quarry and Uncle Jimmy… sounds about as good as Buster Douglas’s record, bit better overall, if not for his series with Ali we’d be looking at a pretty normal run of the mill good pro.Not dissimilar to a few other fighters who ran Holmes close or guys who put up a fight against other champions and ultimately lost he’s more of a Corrie Sanders though, not an ATG.”

“Do you think Norton is an ATG? I think notpersonally he’s an example that the gap isn’t that wide between fighters likePovetkin, Norton, Witherspoon and Louis, Ali, Lennox and that dismissing every single non great HW”

I made it pretty clear Mr fake eccentric weirdo that Norton to me is on the level of Povetkin, Witherspoon, Sanders and Douglas etc, “solid” fighters just good pros but instead you’ll fixate on an obvious bit of bait to try and frame it much worse with your word salad mumbo jumbo no one reads.