Joseph Parker gets sent to the 1960s, does he clear the lot ? (Boxing Evolution Theory)

YOU have brought the aggravation, due to your stunning ignorance.

 

It got embarrassing days ago.

The guy's tried to claim that a guy who lost to AJ and Joyce, and who could barely beat Hughie Fury, would have dominated Holmes, Tyson and Ali etc.

The circus must be in town.

 

So now you're changing the goalposts ?

Now it's "Fury wasn't in his prime" when i've proven a smaller Heavyweight can very much compete with Fury which disproves your original point.

Fury never dominated the division he had life and death struggles vs Wilder twice, beat an aging Wladimir at the end of his career in a glorified sparring session, and beat a shopworn Whyte you'd already been brutally KO'ed twice.

Fury missed out on a ton of notable contenders and hasn't been active enough to warrant anyone saying he "dominated the division".

Usyk is the only one who has consistently beaten the top Heavyweights so far and he's done that by having superior skills and cardio. Which many of the great Heavyweights of the past of similar size to Usyk had hence there's no reason to think they could not compete in this era.

But again as i said no one is saying past Heavyweights would necessarily dominate the division today but you're saying they couldn't "compete" which is two different things.

And just for your information....

Povetkin was 6'2
Haye was 6'3
Adamek was 6'1
Byrd was 6'1

Were top 5 Heavyweights for numerous years and they competed just fine.

Hell even Toney who started off as a Middleweight at 5'9 was able to compete in the Heavyweight division.

 

I repeat again my most obvious point.

For the last 25 years, SHWs have utterly dominated the very top of the sport. (ie. Lennox, Wlad, Fury, AJ).

The only exception (-the only one to actually DOMINATE for years at a time) has been Usyk, who has a completely unique style and activity rate for his size. He is the lone exception.

Every other DOMINANT Heavy has been an SHW - for the last 25 years.

Put them in any other era - and the SHWs would dominate still.

 

Fury has NOT done enough to say he dominated the division. Hell, his HW resume is very thin for so-called dominating. And AJ dominated? Really??

Lewis and Wlad might have been giants, but they were both highly skilled. And yet, get this, LOST to smaller guys.

Why didn't Dereck Jefferson dominate in his time? He was big and could punch. Why didn't Lance Whitaker become a champion w/ multiple defenses when a lot of the contenders were much smaller.

Where's Jameel McCline's greatness? He was huge with good hand speed.

Tony Tucker was very skilled and big for the 80s. Shouldn't he have dominated all the little guys? Henry Akinwande?

TWO of your examples had long reigns. Just two.

I get it, you are a fan of Parker. As am I. But if you are a boxing fan., and not just a Parker fan, painful truths should not be that bothersome.

Personally I think Parker would have success. But his size is NOT made for 15 rounds. Nor does his up and down weight suggest his stamina would uphold against guys who could go 15 with ease.

 

Fury did not dominate.

AJ did not dominate.

And not everybody fought each other.


Usyk is currently dominating, but he’s only faced 5 opponents.


Wlad did dominate. But it was after his brother had retired through injury the first time, it was after he’d been knocked out by three non elite fighters, and it’s considered as being one of the weakest HW eras in history.


So it’s highly unlikely that Wlad could have dominated a better/stronger era for as long.

AJ also couldn’t have dominated an era.

Neither could Fury.


All of those guys could have had success in any era. But none of them could have dominated it.

 

We are looking at an overall pattern here.

The SHWs have dominated the last 25 years - no question about it.

And it seems foolish to think they would not dominate any other era of history.

 

You can repeat this as much as you want. Fury and AJ did not dominate any era. And only a few SprHWs have had the level of success you are trying to describe.

 

The overall pattern is undeniable

And it goes back decades now.

 

No.

You are simply just grouping them all together.

You can say that collectively they did.

Until Usyk came around, who’s an exceptionally smaller guy.

But your problem then, is that this current era, as well as the one that Wlad reigned, wasn’t that strong, and there were other exceptionally smaller HW’s in those other eras.

So, no. They wouldn’t have dominated every era.

Look at Wlad. His history. He couldn’t have dominated the 60’s-80’s.

Look at Lennox. He couldn’t dominate the 90’s.

Fury, AJ, Wilder and Parker haven’t dominated this era.

They literally couldn’t dominate their own eras.

So it’s nonsensical to think that they could have dominated earlier eras, where some of them were stronger.

You’ve got an obsession with size.

Maybe you’ve had a bad sexual experience or something. I don’t know. But you need to let it go.

Not a single HW that you’ve mentioned, even Lennox, would have dominated Tyson, Ali and Holmes etc.

How do I know that?

Because even Lennox, as great as he was, was beaten by McCall and Rahman, and also struggled mightily against Mercer and Vitali.

Therefore, it’s simply unrealistic.

Use logic.

Common sense.

Nobody could dominate those eras.

Even Usyk couldn’t. Usyk could never have beaten Mike. Not a chance. And that’s if he’d have even made it as far as Mike.

I personally think that a prime Ali would have beaten Usyk.

 

Show us the pattern then.

 

You mean 25+ years of SHW dominance is not a pattern ??

 

Who knows, but my guess is that Liston, besided, Ali would be very tough for Parker: Also Frazier, especially over 15. Would probably bet on Parker over the other 60's guys.

Just my guess, though. Have been surprised by Parker, both positevly and negatively, in an era he actually fights in, so am not going to pretend confidence in how he'd do in other eras.

 

Out of the history of the division?


The only one who’s really dominated was Wlad.

Wlad’s reign was from 2004-2015.


What other SHW has dominated?

You can say that AJ, Wilder and Fury collectively dominated for a short while.


Usyk is now dominating. But it’s only his 3rd year, and he’s only fought 5 HW’s.

And what if Usyk had come around earlier?