¿Which of them do you think would give Prime Ali a more worthy fight?

Ike. Ali never fought a 6' 2" , 245 pound tank with the speed, style , power, stamina and chin ...

 

Dempsey....addressing a previous post saying Young had cuffs on against Norton is pure BS. A very good friend of mine was a sparring partner for Young. Jimmy believed he was robbed in that fight which is when he turned to the nose candy and lost his desire. He only fought for paychecks to keep him afloat after that.

 

Young despite me half kidding around in here was an honest pro and rightfully by my cards did beat both Ali and Norton, actually against Ali as much as MA was overweight (though he didn’t look overly out of shape, carried the weight well) I think he exposed how technically flawed Ali was more then any other fighter, it was easy to toss out (weight / Age) but those same technical issues still existed and Young found them, much like Bowe losing to Golota falling for the same trick over and over again… even if he was younger, thinner and more with it it doesn’t change his IQ, I think If Young got the version of Ali from the RITJ it might be the same down to the robbery because the media doesn’t want Ali vs Young 2 even Norton was pleading at ringside to Ali “Don’t blow the money!”

 

Some people will say anything to support an agenda Rob. Thanks for putting it straight. Jimmy had a mini period (1981) where he started to look ok again and actually won Rings Comeback of the Year fighter but it subsided as soon as he fought someone good.

 

Young was a hell of a fighter from Lyle 1 through Norton ... what happened after is a shame because the man could fight. In addition he took a hell of a shot .. Other than the (in) famous ko to Shavers , did anyone ever ben knock Young down ? He had a hell of a chin ...

 

“Agenda” yes I secretly desire the total evection of Ali from the number 1 spot on HW lists to make way for Joe Louis! that’s my secret plot in all this, it isn’t because I have differing boxing opinions and nothing more there is an “Agenda” at work here and it’s coming after the “Golden Era”! I also clarified the Young rumour being just that… but keep pretending I am sitting here villainously twirling my moustache.

 

You cannot be the full quid.

 

Jimmy Young is my favourite HW fighter of the 70s honestly. Just a solid guy who knew his stuff, unfortunately his style was built surviving Joe Frazier as a teenager so he could be a bit “self preserving” or negative, Manuel Medina and Jersey Joe Walcott are sort of his “kin” in that respect.

 

Nice false narrative your agenda against me is painfully obvious you’d say anything to support it.

 

There’s no rewriting of history. I’m not unduly or “selectively” tethered to “official” decisions in terms of judging fights for myself.

Imo, while close, Norton still clearly beat Young, Norton wisely focusing in on the body than the more elusive head.

You stated the bleeding obvious, that it was an official SD win to Norton over Young, and…..?

Norton vs Holmes was also an official SD by much closer margins - so tell me genius, per your standard, are you trying to “rewrite” history even more so in respect of that fight?

Ali won a clear “official” UD over Norton in their rubber. My opinion: Norton won that fight and by a clear margin. See: robbery. In truth, a significant win and not least for the fact that it should’ve garnered Norton the HW title.

You still haven’t provided your “opinion” as to who won the aforementioned fight - has the cat got your tongue on that one? Of course it has when one posts as disingenuously as you do.

Usyk - Fury 1 was an SD. Some felt that a draw would’ve been more appropriate, others again felt that Fury nicked it. I felt that Usyk was a clear winner. Do you want align yourself with that official decision also? - not likely being the Usyk nuthugger that you are.

Refuting your none too bright positions is as easy as shooting fish in a barrel.

Ali and Holmes didn’t fight similar. Although they’re not the whole story for Norton, do you realise how dumb you read? Like: “Okay, you’ve got Ali and Holmes to uphold. So what? Anyone else to shine a light on?” Jesus.

Yes, among others there was also Young, a different style again - at his best, an awkward, slippery customer - a tough fight for anyone (1 x over Foreman, 2 x over Lyle etc.).

Some (many?) believe that Young beat Ali. I personally don’t agree - I think Ali still won that fight - but I don’t need to lie like “some” and call in the opinions of others to falsely support my overall argument.

Like your mate with whom you’re playing pathetic tag team, you’re talking out of your proverbial. Yes, the irony.

Your post is 100% failed rhetoric. I am both articulate and intelligent - realistically self aware - not a deluded wanker like yourself -

Let you know? Lol, another one of your major failings. First and foremost, my reply to that is - “Like, who cares? I’m not so interested in your opinions on anything”.

Secondly, despite your advertised ignorance , the relevant discussion has already been had - you’ve been routed - everyone knows you’re always in denial of same - making pointless, never ending addendums after the fact.

In lieu of acceptance, you just keep writing and writing and writing , desperately seeking the last word in an argument you have long since LOST - when far more equipped posters simply tire of you, you then stupidly claim that they’re “running” away - lol - no, the truth is, they eventually tire of dealing with a well beaten troll…..word!

 

Your post is full of such weird reassurance near half of your post is actually just telling yourself you definitely “won” a “fantasy” discussion based on opinions? “Trust me bro I’m so smart, articulate and self aware” self soothing init? lol Pugguy don’t be silly you’re a run of the mill boxing nerd like most of us, stop taking yourself so seriously you condescending man-child. “Aye?”

 

Impressive tantrum. You're right, you're not "unduly tethered to official decisions" you simply discard them when they don't fit your pre-written narrative. You claim Norton 'clearly beat Young' (a disputed split decision many thought Young won), but then Holmes-Norton (another razor-thin split) is just 'closer.' The only consistency is your bias.

My 'opinion' on Ali-Norton 3 or Usyk-Fury is irrelevant, and a pathetic attempt to deflect. The topic was Norton's resume depth beyond Ali and Holmes. You've named Young, a controversial SD, and that's it. Ali and Holmes are two styles, yes. Congratulations on that groundbreaking insight. What about other significant wins against varied top-tier opposition that build a case for him beyond those marquee (and mostly losing, officially) series? Still waiting.

Your entire meltdown is a masterclass in projection:

• You accuse me of being 'disingenuous' while conveniently ignoring disputed aspects of fights like Young-Norton to fit your argument.
  
  
• You complain about 'pointless rhetoric' while spewing paragraphs of insults, whataboutism (Usyk-Fury, really?), and self-congratulatory nonsense about your 'articulate and intelligent' self.
  
  
• You claim I'm 'routed' and 'seeking the last word' in a post where you are desperately trying to have the last, loudest, most insulting word.
  

This isn't a debate; it's you shouting down counterarguments with insults because you can't substantively address the core point about Norton's overall resume. If this is you 'routing' someone, I'd hate to see you actually try to make a coherent, evidence-based argument without resorting to calling people 'deluded wankers.'

The only thing 'routed' here is your ability to stay on topic and debate respectfully. But please, tell me again how 'well beaten' I am while you avoid the actual question. It's genuinely amusing.

 

Nothing screams smart like repeating I am smart 10 times and calling everyone who disagrees with you stupid.

 

Still such a pathetic little man. Replying on behalf of your new found mate. The Tweedle Tweedle Dum Tag Team. You can fight over who wants to be Dum - though you’re both equally eligible so best to take turns.

 

Weird for a smart guy eh? because I think he might not realise we probably agree on everything? - I’m not sure what he disagrees with which is why he is clutching to calling Norton a “Club Fighter” and how I said Young was in cuffs… both things I clarified lol what’s left? Does he disagree on anything relevant what’s he arguing about?