Were does Usyk rank P4P all time?

Outside of Wlad and Wilder, it is terrible. The Wilder win isn't aging well and ducking the Wlad rematch, not fighting AJ hurts Fury's legacy. In Fury's defence, his prime was in a pretty weak era. Plus his self destructive behavior didn't help either. In 50 years Buster Douglas will be more spoken about than Fury, if I had to guess.

 

Usyk will be in the GOAT conversation in a few decades. These things take time. The golden era HW boomers will die. Reason will prevail.

 

He will not. I will bet my soul on this.

Reason will prevail. No way on gods green earth some Gen Beta or Gen Gamma in 40 years looks at Usyks resume and puts him in the GOAT discussion. If hes undefeated it will only be on the superficial level that being undefeated supposedly means you're the best like Rocky Marciano.

 

I cannot take seriously a man willing to bet his soul. Usyk is the GOAT.

 

He won't even be on the same breath as the Rock. Marciano was champion when people cared about the sport. He wasn't Ali, but people know his name

The average man doesn't know usyk, other than some Russian (Ukraine, we know that) that beat Fury

He's just a name among hard-core boxing fans which is niche really. He's a very good fighter but will be lost among many names, when true legends like Ali, Louis, Duran, pacquiao etc live on

 

You have to assume the next 2 heavyweight greats don't clear their era and beat a dozen top level guys, almost like a Lennox Lewis, they will probably be higher on the heavyweight rankings than Usyk.

 

It depends entirely on whom you ask. The EE nuthuggers will claim he's the greatest thing since sliced bread; the anti-EE tits will haughtily dismiss him as the product of an underwhelming era. (As if the rest of us give a sh*t about either of their opinions).

Meanwhile, more dispassionate, fair-minded observers consider Usyk an ATG who would be competitive with the very best from any era.

And that's good enough.

 

OK so as someone more impartial than the rest of us mate, what would you guess
Top 15?
Top 20?

I'm generally more interested in non biased views, as you are right, most including me l lean too far to one side

 

Ruminating quickly on it-- and perhaps I'm guilty of a bit of nostalgia bias, here-- I can't quite pull the trigger on Top 20.

He feels top 30- 50ish all-time, but I'd have to engage in some very serious research and comparative analysis (something I'm usually too lazy to do..lol) to determine if I could make a case for top 20 and below.

Best I can offer at the moment, homie.

 

I'm labelled a hater yet I am vocal of top 50, even top 30. If he were to win a couple more after Dubois? I could entertain top 20

I do rate him more than I'm accused of. I just think being goat with 10-12 ranked wins is preposterous, but hey it's just opinions at the end of the day. It would be boring if everyone agreed

 

Of course it's preposterous.

I don't think you're a hater. Rather, as I've mentioned before, I think you let your animus for EE hardcore types color your evaluation of some EE fighters.

We all have our flaws, man. Me? I still hate Bill Buckner for the Red Sox '86 World Series collapse.

But, yeah, I do believe a few more solid wins, beginning with a stoppage of Dubois in July, could push him into the bottom half of the top 25 IMO.

 

Usyk should be ranked in the top 15–20 boxers of all time. He dominated a strong cruiserweight division as the first undisputed four-belt champion, then unified all four major titles at heavyweight by defeating the bigger fighters Anthony Joshua and Tyson Fury—an achievement only matched by Holyfield in the modern era. Usyk’s technical brilliance, undefeated record, and willingness to fight top opponents on their home turf set him apart.

His remarkable amateur career (335–15 record) includes gold medals at the 2011 World Championships and 2012 Olympics, proving his elite pedigree before turning pro. Some may rank him lower due to fewer heavyweight defenses and less global fame than legends like Ali, but his dominance in a stacked cruiserweight era, historic achievements, and world-class amateur background secure his place among boxing’s elite.

 

Hearns was a great fighter, but he had clear stylistic weaknesses that certain opponents could exploit—something Usyk has not shown in his career.

Andre Ward’s legacy is controversial due to hometown advantages, accusations of PED use (never proven), frequent head clashes (notably against Mikkel Kessler), and the perception of dirty tactics. His two wins over Sergey Kovalev are especially disputed: many fans and analysts saw the first fight as a robbery, with all three judges giving Ward a narrow unanimous decision despite Kovalev scoring a knockdown and landing more power punches. The rematch ended with Ward winning by 8th-round TKO after landing several low blows, which many observers felt should have resulted in a warning or disqualification, not a stoppage. Ward retired early to avoid dangerous light heavyweights like Artur Beterbiev. The ultimate hypocrite claiming the mantra Son of God.

Toney was another good but very inconsistent fighter with many losses and gift decisions. Review his fights with old Mike McCallum as a start.

 

Your head DKSAB:

Ali - OK
RJJ - close, but post-HW career was a train wreck
Toney - not in the same league as Usyk
Mayweather - unsure, Fraud did not unify any belts to avoid risk, a money maker, not a fighter.
Holyfield - Evan Fields was a killer, this is a close call with his PEDs.
Pacquiao - Possible, would have had his way with PBF in 2010,
Whitaker - close, unified LW, but only LW. A true genius, but achievements do not quite exceed those of Usyk.
Chavez - close, great fighter with long streak but no undisturbed unification,
Hopkins - not even close, master of dodgy tactics, not at Usyk's level.
Hearns - close, but stylistic weaknesses edge it for Usyk
Hagler - ok
Morales, Barrera, Marquez - lumping these together, great Mexican warriors, but not at Usyk's level.
Duran - ok
Arguello - close but I'm giving it to Usyk, moving up to fight HW monsters clearly bigger and unifying is greater than Arguellos also great accomplishments
Nelson - similar to Arguello, close but no cigar
ODLH - famous and great, but with some key losses, below Usyk.

3.5/17 - fail. They are all great, and some of them are close, but people are failing to see what Usyk has done. There is the dichotomy of recency bias verus childhood hero worship at play.