One of the most replaceable HW champs? Sonny Liston?

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  1. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 Mr Gadfly Full Member

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    Feed me more, I’ll need to hear it sir or I’ll be sending you back to the sweatshop on the Foreman shift.
     
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    surfinghb Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    very few could take care of both Patterson and Williams twice the way Liston did. '59 '60 Liston is Top 5 H2H all time.
     
  3. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 Mr Gadfly Full Member

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    Maybe not the way he did but plenty could get those two. Would you wager on a few names? How about say Rocky Marciano? I think he could take care of those guys Liston did potentially, Andy Ruiz Jnr - Dilian Whyte perhaps? I’d like to hear you place your fictional bet.
     
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    surfinghb Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I dont know, Liston didnt lose for 10 years and was avoided. It took a 10 year younger Ali to take him out when Liston was 34. Ya its doable but some say the same about Louis .. no? .. doing it without tripping up would be difficult. No one had that intimidation factor Liston did,,, the names you put forward, maybe Marciano ,, but the other 2 flash in the pans you mentioned certaintly not , Ruiz would be good for a 10 year jelly donught eating run .. but thats about how far he gets
     
  5. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 Mr Gadfly Full Member

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    If you’ve misread the thread it’s about individual match ups so It’d be an Inshape jelly doughnut (well A shape LOL) vs the versions of Machen etc Liston fought so Hypothetically the version “around” Ruiz’s prime vs Machen, Folley, Patterson and Williams, Liston was a very consistent HW but that’s a separate thing for a different thread - I personally agree and think that is what separates the good HW’s from the champs is just that most of the time it’s discipline and “desire” (Monzon stayed up till sunrise drinking, smoking and chatting but never missed the gym I’ve read) but honestly what he chalked down on his resume we’re so-so guys I’d pick lots of “weaker era” fighters to replicate said wins say Corrie Sanders coming in, in good shape probably blitzkreig’s them all, Someone mentioned Ortiz not a bad choice, I think a case for Archie Moore could be made even and definitely for Charles before his disease began to heavily effect him.
     
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  8. Pugguy

    Pugguy Ingo, The Thinking Man’s GOAT Full Member

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    Of course I’ll post how I wish and no repetition of what you’ve already posted is required - my comprehension is fine.

    I post in the spirit of common sense, which is still applicable within the frame of hypotheticals, including those with an obvious ulterior motive.

    A 12 round or 15 round decision “win” over Patterson isn’t the equivalent to the manner that Liston crushed Floyd in back to back fights - taking only 2 mins 6 secs and 2 mins 10 secs respectively to render Patterson inert for the full “10” count.

    You can think of lots who beat Patterson x 2, some the same as Liston did and some more brutally? Okay……:lol:
     
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  9. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 Mr Gadfly Full Member

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    Firstly are you sure you? got your blinders off fishy? - Ulterior motive? Pug I think Listons sucks (personally and it’s no secret) and that he had favourable circumstance (big fish little pond) his scalps aren’t H2H impressive at all and easily replicable wins… hence literally the entire thread and outline in the very first 2 posts… who exactly thinks I don’t think Liston is average H2H what’s my ulterior motive? Out with it :sisi1
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    213lbs Michael Hunter beat 256lbs Martin Bakole.
    210lbs David Haye knocked out Derek Chisora in 5 rounds. Chisora is still having success today
    209lbs Marco huck made a fight with Povetkin extremely tight
    206lbs Steve Cunningham put Tyson Fury on his ass.
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    All these guys weighed about as much as a prime liston who was better than all of them. He'd have no issues today.
     
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  11. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 Mr Gadfly Full Member

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    It’s not about his size, it’s also not relevant to the thread lol but quickly though… I have Joe Louis tearing Fury, AJ, Wilder and Usyk to shreds… I have Moore beating Holyfield (sometimes) I had Toney whooping Foreman and Walcott KOing Liston I’m the last guy to be called a modernist basing everything on size, I watch boxing and quite a few people boxing folk seem to think I get it a little bit so I think I have a balanced enough view but I'm human lol - Also are you an Alt? just odd timing is all BTW if not welcome to the forum comrade.
     
  12. Pugguy

    Pugguy Ingo, The Thinking Man’s GOAT Full Member

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    Funny, you didn’t say Liston sucks in your opening posts - don’t now frame it as if you were being honest about your true motives……

    I also identified your obvious slant - that a hypothesised “win”, however it was achieved, would install itself as being as impressive as what Liston did.

    Easily replicable wins? Replicable = able to be copied or reproduced exactly. Bazinga!

    Anyway……
     
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  13. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 Mr Gadfly Full Member

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    Mumbo jumbo - What’s my ulterior motive again? Please just answer the question.
     
  14. Pugguy

    Pugguy Ingo, The Thinking Man’s GOAT Full Member

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    Points already made. If you missed them I can’t help you. Move on…..
     
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  15. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 Mr Gadfly Full Member

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    Sure :sisi1 Here I’ll tell you why I made the thread… I saw Listons resume, it occurred to me a bunch of guys could beat the best folks on there, it’s pretty thin so I thought who is least most qualified guy would be to do it and become HW champ back then? (Fun little thread idea as lots of guys would have his advantages) Note here In this thread I also said Liston could get his best wins in one calendar year? stating it again “big fish little pond” better then his resume but IMO no great (H2H) but that’s irrelevant to this thread as it’s been clearly stated to be about his scalp collection not whether he was any good lol.
     
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