Were does Usyk rank P4P all time?

He rated Usyk in the top 50 all time. Not HW. P4P. Hes actually too generous.

 

I think the Euro contingent are just too overexcited they have a legit ATG fighter on their hands so they rate him too high right now. Usyk does not rate as high as Hopkins. Mayweather, Jones, Whitaker or Chavez. They've all had greater careers no matter what weird selective criteria one wants to use.

 

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12 ranked wins is not greater than 20 plus. It's simple arithmetic

Now if usyk had Foreman, Ali, Tyson, Holmes etc among the 12, then sure quality prevails, but he doesn't. I concede there is some quality, especially accounting for size, but not enough to live up to other fighters, who have 20, 30, maybe even 40 plus ranked wins

Great fighter, but miles from goat with his stats

 

Hopkins being the oldest title holder alone is better than anything Usyk has done.

 

I'm not trying to be nasty to you but i think you need to delve deeper into the resumes of some of these fighters.

Mayweather resume

ODLH
Diego Corrales
Jose Luis Castillo
Ricky Hatton
Manny Pacquiao
Miguel Cotto
Canelo Alvarez
JMM
Zab Judah
Arturo Gatti
Shane Mosley
Genaro Hernandez
Marcos Maidana
Angel Manfredy

5 weight division champion, 26 world title wins.

Arguello resume

Ruben Olivares
Alfredo Escalera
Vilomar Fernandez
Rafael Limon
Bobby Chacon
Cornelius Boza-Edwards
Ruben Castillo
Jim Watt
Rolando Navarrete
Jose Luis Ramirez
Ray Mancini
Andrew Ganigan

3 weight division champion, 19 world title wins.

ODLH resume

Pernell Whitaker
Julio Cesar Chavez
Hector Camacho
Fernando Vargas
Arturo Gatti
Ike Quartey
Ricardo Mayorga
Oba Carr
Wilfredo Rivera
Rafael Ruelas
Jorge Paez
John John Molina
Genaro Hernandez

6 weight division champion, 26 world title wins.

Hopkins resume

Felix Trinidad
ODLH
Antonio Tarver
Kelly Pavlik
Jean Pascal
Winky Wright
William Joppy
Howard Eastman
Glen Johnson
Keith Holmes
Antwun Echols
John David Jackson

2 weight division champion, 27 world title wins.

Now i'm not saying everyone on the original list necessarily rates above Usyk but i would have the above fighters i listed above Usyk for having considerably more world title wins.

Usyk has a good resume which i'll list here.

Usyk resume

Tyson Fury
Anthony Joshua
Daniel Dubois
Dereck Chisora
Murat Gassiev
Mairis Briedis
Tony Bellew
Michael Hunter
Marco Huck
Krzysztof Glowacki

2 weight division champion, 12 world title wins.

So whilst Usyk has good achievements in regards to beating bigger men he has less than half of the world title wins of 3 of the fighters i listed above.

Again it's all opinion based but i personally do not rate Usyk above the likes of Mayweather, Pacquiao, ODLH, Hopkins, RJJ, Hearns, Duran, Arguello. But Usyk has not retired yet and he can further cement his greatness with some more notable wins against Parker and maybe Opetaia.

Overall Usyk is a top 50 ATG as it stands today, top 15 Heavyweight of all time, top 2 Cruiserweight of all time, and i don't think i'm being unfair with what i said.

In regards to the eye test and how he matches up H2H he could be higher but that's down to your criteria.

 

You know what they say about opinions, my guy.

 

Honestly there should be no HWs in the P4P top 50 if we're being honest. I don't follow a lot of the smaller weight classes and don't know a lot of the fighters being disrespected but I know they are being disrespected. Having a 6 3 220 pound CW/HW double champ as a P4P great is a deep peversion of the whole idea.

 

You could have just stopped typing when you admitted Hopkins career has more depth.

 

https://www.thesportster.com/boxers-with-the-most-knockouts/

 

It isn't terrible, and it isn't great. If he wants to be remembered as great, he's got more work to do, and a couple of fights with Joshua would even now be a good boost. But at the end of the day, the best heavies before Usyk were Wlad, Joshua, Wilder, Parker, Ruiz, Whyte, Povetkin, Chisora, and very briefly Hunter. He has beaten for of those fighters seven times.

Are three of those Chisora..yeah. Is that a weak era...sure. Does it hurt that he ducked the Wlad rematch...yeah...although to be fair, he didn't duck, it, he couldn't pass drug tests. Am I the first to say Deontay was overrated...I literally was.

But it's still a good body if he wants to come back and add.

 

They really are pretty decent. I am just going to point out that Chisora has been ranked on again and off again for over a decade, and Wallin has also been ranked more than once. This is going to get into the Ring magazine vs Ratings board thing again, and that is fine...I respect your point of view that the Ring Magazine ratings are better, even if I don't agree. But they were literally ranked in the boards that could and did get them title fights, and they both beat decent guys to get there.

Cunningham I like. He was a cruiserweight champ, and he should have got wins over Ademek and Glazkov at heavy. Won't argue that one too strongly, just say that I like the win.

 

Great post.

 

Another brilliant post of facts
Never trolls, unlike me and many others. Just puts across his opinions with good research

Absolutely a credit to the forum. Even if I disagree with him, I will know he is not speaking from bias and believes what he types

Keep up the good work
I don't like to ball lick on a forum, but you are a good poster

 

Agreed!
You have that quality in yourself, as well, but at times you undermine it with your trolling. I get the frustration with certain posters and fanboys and their ridiculous comments, but in this day and age, the lowest common denominators have access to the internet and they damn sure use it.
BTW, who is your avatar? He reminds me of an older Brett Favre or Mel Gibson.