One of the most replaceable HW champs? Sonny Liston?

Machen seemed to pick the wrong approach for Johansson, though on another note, Ingo could really be accurate with that right hand and the left hook both. Good timing. Could see it in his eyes how he seizes them up. Clearly didn't have that much in other departments though. Ortiz's own left hand and lead hook could be crackers, but the things I disliked about him stand, even though I am a fan of all Cubans—on the front foot, he looked somewhat lacking against targets that were much larger, and infinitely more hittable than some of the 50's cruiser guys. I would be much more comfortable picking Luis in those instances if he had solid inside game, or a far more proven chin and gas tank, but he really doesn't. He will always remained that skilled, but logistically impaired glass cannon I reckon.

Ortiz absolutely can lull and find Machen, Folley, or Patterson. When I say I think X would win over Y, there is always the *(at least 6/10 times)* hidden clause, because there is rarely a man who would beat another ten out of ten times in boxing, if they are on the level. Ortiz despite suffering from clear flaws much akin to Zhang, has his own dangerous attributes and given the shallow talent pool of the Liston era, he would definitely find his spot, especially since losses were a tad more forgiven back then with the increased activity and all.

 

I don't think you've really watched Ortiz, and definitely not in his prime. He had great inside game and would destroy small guys with uppercuts. The comparison to Zhang is absurd if we're talking about stamina and inside game.

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I'm pretty open minded here. Half a year later I might be favoring Ortiz.

 

Just watch the video and apologize for pretending that Ortiz didn't have inside game.

 

Would gladly see it. Not a hill on this thread I would die on.

 

Jennings doesn't go much beyond smothering with the high guard and throwing leather. No inside game was an overstatement, I apologize abuelo Luis for that accusation. He clearly knows how to look for punching space and can cut the smothering high guard good if given time.

For the sake of some sort of integrity I'll give hus entire available footage a rewatch.

 

Last of the old guard, you can imagine Dempsey or Louis facing Liston - not so much with Ali.* He seemed to spend his entire life not quite in his right time or place.

*This uh, may be an artefact of colour television.

 

Interesting post but can't we do this with Jack Johnson';s title opposition, Dempsey's , Joe Louis' , Marciano's too ?