Is Ali the HW GOAT?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by AdamT, May 25, 2025 at 4:49 AM.


Is Ali the HW goat?

  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  1. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Usyk isn't only the HW GOAT

    He's the P4P GOAT too

    How could he not be when you guys admit he is by your own logic?

    You believe he's superhuman and that he is immune to the ageing process and that he's so great that if he were to suffer a loss at 38.5 y/o or older to a way bigger prime murderous puncher in their backyard on a deck heavily stacked against him (or a much younger giant) in a division he doesn't belong in it would be a huge stain on his legacy and one you would absolutely crucify him for

    This is a standard you hold zero other fighters to even your GOATs so how in God's name isn't he the GOAT?
     
    Serge, May 25, 2025 at 11:14 AM
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  2. The Professor

    The Professor Socialist Ring Leader Staff Member

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    Is the Pope Catholic?
     
    The Professor, May 25, 2025 at 11:26 AM
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  3. micker1

    micker1 Active Member Full Member

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    Ali is the goat. Usyk beats him head to head though. The training and nutrition has evolved. If ali had the training that is around now it's hard to see how Ali wouldn't have been an even better fighter. Its easier just to pick the best of the era.
     
    micker1, May 25, 2025 at 11:29 AM
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  4. miniq

    miniq AJ IS A BODYBUILDING BUM Full Member

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    Ali coined the term for himself so yes
     
    miniq, May 25, 2025 at 11:32 AM
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  5. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Lewis, Tyson or Holmes might beat Ali h2h it don't matter
     
    MarkusFlorez99, May 25, 2025 at 11:40 AM
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  6. micker1

    micker1 Active Member Full Member

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    That is what I'm saying. It doesn't matter that usyk beats Ali head to head. Boxing needed Muhammad Ali. What he has brought to boxing makes him the goat.
     
    micker1, May 25, 2025 at 11:47 AM
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  7. AdamT

    AdamT Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    How is the usyk the goat? Based on what criteria?

    His punch stats are miles behind someone like Floyd who has WAY more ranked and hof wins in his career and Floyd ain't the goat either
     
    AdamT, May 25, 2025 at 12:19 PM
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  8. AdamT

    AdamT Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    So when you told me he wasn't the goat, but just one of, you weren't being sincere?

    I don't mind you guys having him goat. It's your opinion after all. I just wish there was a way we could sit a lie detector and see how the results pan

    If you truly believe he is the greatest boxer ever Serge, fair play. I will respect your opinion
     
    AdamT, May 25, 2025 at 12:28 PM
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  9. bandeedo

    bandeedo Loyal Member Full Member

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    yes, he is.
     
    bandeedo, May 25, 2025 at 12:29 PM
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  10. AdamT

    AdamT Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Another point I'd like to add, Ali was good enough to win his gold first time around and was the best boxer on the planet aged 22. He didn't need to hang around 4 years, as he was good enough aged 20 or under to win Olympic gold. What was usyk doing aged 22?

    Ali was robbed of his prime for 3 years, came back.a different fighter, yet read out the division again full of new challengers. Yes by the time he was 38 he was done, but he had many more pro fights and many more wars.

    If usyk is the goat because he's 38,then what about hopkins winning world titles 10 years older?

    Yes usyk is doing well for an old man, but he wasn't fight top level pros in 15 rounders from he was a kid and didn't have 15 round wars like Ali either

    Ali is the goat
     
    AdamT, May 25, 2025 at 12:35 PM
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  11. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You don't know who wins though, it's pure speculation. Usyk could get blown out by Tyson or drop a decision to Holyfield and Klitschkos
     
    MarkusFlorez99, May 25, 2025 at 1:03 PM
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  12. AdamT

    AdamT Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    This is why h2h is the toughest measure, although sometimes it's also very clear if there is a big gap

    Can joshua beat Mike Tyson for example? Lol
    I wouldn't favour usyk or fury either, but that's an.opinion and not fact. But tyson hammers Aj and that is a fact!!
     
    AdamT, May 25, 2025 at 1:06 PM
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  13. Joeywill

    Joeywill Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Ali is the greatest heavyweight of all time in my opinion

    However I do think certain things in his career are glossed over such as losing his biggest fight to Joe Fraizer, the robbery of Ken Norton in the 3rd fight, overllooking and not training properly for the Jimmy Young and Leon Spinks fights

    I don't really hold Holmes's and Berbick's last two losses against him, as he was kind of shot.
     
    Joeywill, May 25, 2025 at 1:08 PM
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  14. ellerbe

    ellerbe Loyal Member Full Member

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    @Serge take care of this for me por favor
     
    ellerbe, May 25, 2025 at 1:57 PM
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  15. ellerbe

    ellerbe Loyal Member Full Member

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    Let’s say someone comes out the amateurs and first 5 fights at amateur he goes undisputed at cruiser and beats dudes like briedis, gassiev, dorticos, glowacki, then moves up to hw in his next 5 fights and goes undisputed as a small HW and beats the super heavies that outweigh him by 25+ pounds like Joshua, Wlad, Fury, Wilder and Dubois, thats arguably the goat. The size discrepancy is just so big not to concede that someone who achieved that is the goat.
     
    ellerbe, May 25, 2025 at 2:05 PM
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