What are the craziest opinions in boxing that you have heard? What do you think about them?

That god damn james toney beats 70s foreman

 

Look it’s not pretty but it’s the truth my truth, my fictional, factual truth that no one has had the brazen to actually untangle

 

They have. You just couldn't accept it & pushed the goal posts everytime someone easily debunked your claims.

 

If damn samuel peter can outclass james toney and rahman can take him to a md then i dont wanna hear NO toney>foreman talk

 

I see two people who didn’t read the thread in an astute and cultured enough way. The thread is still there, there is a drunk mega post for you to aim your wroth at, quote it with your “debunking” and I’ll respond.

 

You really think a blown-up MW could beat an ATG HW who feasted on smaller fighters?

 

Tagged you in the thread - consider it a digital glove slap SIR.

 

im lazy so i asked chatgpt what he thinks:


That thread is genuinely fun to read — colorful, vivid, detailed, and full of technical insight (and a few whisky-fueled metaphors). But after reading all of it carefully, I still pick prime George Foreman over heavyweight James Toney — and here's why:

First, What the Thread Gets Right:
Let’s give credit where it’s due:

1. Toney’s Inside Game & Counterpunching:
   Absolutely — James Toney is one of the best inside fighters ever. He doesn’t need space, thrives under pressure, and can make a bigger man miss in the phone booth. He proved it against bigger, stronger men (Rahman, Jirov, Peter in moments).
   
   
2. Shoving = Exposure:
   The poster makes a strong point: Foreman's habit of pushing opponents to create space can open his body, and that’s dangerous against a guy like Toney who eats those openings for breakfast.
   
   
3. Toney’s Chin & Durability:
   Yes, Toney took punches from huge punchers and stayed upright. Foreman would probably not flatline him early like he did to Frazier or Norton.
   
   
4. Stamina & IQ:
   Toney is better over 12+ rounds. If this goes deep and Foreman is discouraged or exhausted, Toney could take over. Big George wasn't known for second winds (unless you're talking about the 1990s version).
   

But Why I Still Favor Foreman:
Let’s address the elegant technical points, and then dismantle the conclusion:

1. Size & Strength Matter — Foreman is NOT Rahman or Peter
Rahman and Peter are strong men, sure, but neither had the physicality, raw strength, nor violent temperament of 1973 Foreman. They weren’t explosive finishers either — they plodded, jabbed, and hoped to land something big. George steamrolled elite heavyweights with intolerable power in both hands.

And while Peter was heavy, he wasn't physically imposing in the way Foreman was. Foreman bullied people who liked being inside — Frazier, Chuvalo, Lyle — guys who didn’t shy away from a slugfest. He threw them like rag dolls.

Toney’s style invites danger here. You can roll and shoulder roll all you want, but if you're stuck in the blast radius for long stretches, something lands.

2. Toney's Style Relies on Rhythm — Foreman Destroys Rhythm
Toney’s counters are based on predictable exchanges — jab, cross, roll, counter. He needs you to commit to 1-2s, clean entries, or looping hooks. But Foreman is wild and unpredictable: his punches come from outer space, angles that break rhythm.

Foreman doesn’t care if you slip a jab — he just clubs you with the next one. And he doesn’t reset like Rahman or Peter — he comes again, clumsier but relentless.

Foreman's awkwardness disrupts everything Toney depends on. The smooth rhythm-counter-flow stuff doesn’t work when you’re dealing with an avalanche.

3. Toney's Defense Has Cracks
Let’s be real: yes, Toney is slick — but not unhittable at heavyweight. Sam Peter and Hasim Rahman both touched him plenty. He got dropped three times by Sam Peter in the first fight, albeit a questionable decision.

Even in his slickest moments, he got tagged by Jirov (cruiser), Griffin (light heavy), and was wobbled by Reggie Johnson (middle). Toney’s chin is granite, but it’s not force-field level. With Foreman’s power? One clean shot inside might not KO him, but it sure will stall the counter game.

4. Toney Doesn’t Hit Hard Enough to Hurt George
Yes, body shots are a weapon — but how much can a 5'9" 200lb man hurt a 6'3" slab of concrete like Foreman? Even Holyfield had to pace himself and pick spots. George only respected punchers.

Toney would land — maybe even score rounds — but the sheer effort it would take to consistently dig inside, fire combos, and move his feet would wear him down more than George.

Toney’s best weapon would be attrition. But can you grind down a bull while you're also being shoved, mauled, and clubbed round after round?

5. It’s a Dangerous Game to Play
Toney wants you to come to him — but Foreman coming forward is different. He doesn't flurry. He crushes. This isn't a guy who opens himself up chasing a knockout; he creates chaos and then eats you in it.

It’s a fantasy to think James just weathers the storm and peels George open like a mango. That’s assuming Foreman lets him dictate tempo. Foreman’s pace, pressure, and sheer force of presence forces a reaction.

❌ The Conclusion: “Foreman has no Plan B” — is Half-True, but Misleading
It’s true that George lacked a sophisticated Plan B... but he didn’t need one in his prime. His Plan A ended careers. Ali was a once-in-a-lifetime unicorn who won through specific traits James Toney does NOT share:

• elite footwork
  
  
• reach advantage
  
  
• insane stamina
  
  
• psychic-level ring IQ
  
  
• and a granite chin.
  

Toney’s great, but he isn’t that. Not in size. Not in movement. And not in ability to absorb 20-round beatings.

Verdict:
Prime George Foreman by mid-to-late round TKO.
Not because Toney isn’t skilled — he’s brilliant. But Foreman is just too big, too strong, too relentless, and his ugly chaos short-circuits Toney’s defensive matrix.

If they fight 10 times, I give Toney maybe 2 wins — if Foreman gets frustrated or exhausted. But 8 out of 10 times, Toney gets trapped, ragdolled, and beaten into a corner before he can turn the tide.

 

Chat GPT impresses me a lot more than the “hardcore’s” around here.

 

I liked Toney’s brilliant two-part plan for RJJ:

Plan A: Box Roy’s ears off, beat him up with heavy shots and either take him out or cruise to a decision.

Plan B: If that does’t work and Roy Jr boxes James’ ears off in what amounted to light sparring for Jones, say you gained and lost an absurd amount of weight in 3 1/2 months (Toney weighed one pound less in his previous fight so we have a clear marker that he was 167 on that exact date) and say it doesn’t count. Then head straight to the nearest bakery for more.

 

Does this mean chatgpt wins the argument

 

i'll take the silence as a yes

ai bests the man once again

 

You'll see a lot of people on here in the past hyping up hype jobs in which they end up being bums.

 

You could just get three or four chatbots for each side to re-process Ring Magazine text and call it a day.