Oleksandr Usyk is clearly the best fighter of the 21st century uncontested.

I think Usyk might be more technically skilled than RJJ, Mayweather and Pacquiao. Remember that Usyk fights at HW. There isn't a do-over at HW when you get caught with a shot. Remember when Mosley caught Floyd? That happens at HW and it's the end. You don't just eat the shot and rely on your chin at HW. You get hit hard at HW you get obliterated.

 

Pacquiao and Roy Jones yes, I disagree about Mayweather

 

Usyk was more offensively creative.

 

So is Crawford and Lewis. Mayweather was better defensivly and had hand issues. We know what miniature Usyk looks like it's Lomachenko, the bigger guys he had to fight were simply leagues above Fury and aj skill wise, and Teo had 1 punch KO power at lightweight

 

Usyk doesn't fight like Loma.

 

Usyk has a backfoot game, beyond that the closest thing you can get to Usyk is Lomachenko or Pacquiao. I rate Pacquiaos resume and opponents far higher

 

Usyk was 220 plus for his big wins at heavyweight. Same as Sanders against Wlad. Earlier in his career Sanders was lighter and could have easily made cruiserweight with early weigh ins and rehydration. He was only 217 vs DuPlooy for example

 

Yes but he built his body up to it, whereas Sanders was a natural heavy. Usyk has talked extensively about how he has to work to keep the weight on, and it is why he at one point wanted to go back to cruiser.

 

I’m not naive at all but it goes both ways and this has been discussed many times because most fans simply aren’t fair minded. It’s something that we have to deal with and ignore and pay attention to posters who opinions that you respect.

 

There’s nothing that I’ve seen that showed that he is superior to those 3 technically other than having a southpaw advantage that made it seem so. Pacquaio excluded.

Heavyweights get up from knockdowns all of the time. How many times has Wilder, the hardest puncher in decades put Fury down?

 

Literally no one said a fighter can't be vulnerable to a certain style.

Cunningham doesn't fight anything like Usyk and he LOST to Fury.

Your idiotic argument is essentially:

"WeLl FuRy HaD tRoUbLe WiTh A cRuIsEr 10 YeArS aGo, So It MeAnS hE's VuLnErAbLe To CrUisErS. UsYk IsN't SpEcIaL bEcAuSe AnY cRuIsEr CoUlD'vE bEaT fUrY".

Even if Cunningham beat an inexperienced Fury that wouldn't make him an ATG. Usyk's win was notable because Fury was a 2x champion at the time and significantly more skilled than when he beat Cunningham. The fact I have to explain this to you is ridiculous.

No one changed the subject, they WERE irrelevant unoriginal talking points. Wilder was a dangerous opponent and one of the hardest hitters of all time. Wilder was undefeated. Wilder was a reigning champion with multiple defenses. Fury was nearly KOd the first time and made adjustments to win easily the 2nd time, showing growth and adaptability as a fighter. These are facts.

You babbling about how Wilder "could have" lost to Povetkin, how Wilder "lacks skill" and other dumbass arguments are irrelevant to the fact Fury dethroned a dangerous hard hitting champion.

Every fighter has embarrassing moments and losses.

I literally explained why it's an ATG win for Usyk and you NEVER addressed the arguments I brought up MULTIPLE TIMES, so yes we can end the debate here.

So you wrote a wall of text just to fail to provide an example of what I was asking for? Great. Then I guess Usyk's win over Fury really was remarkable.

You're an idiot.

 

I never implied it didn't go both ways. Quite the contrary, I've argued that there's also a segment of fans who dislike black American fighters.

It seems like we're more or less on the same page.

 

Nice reductionist strawman. Took you 2 days to come up with it, only to amount to nothing. Wilder is overrated trash, no skills, ducked all the prime contenders but an anceint Ortiz and almost lost. I don't rate the win as world class in retrospect and your not going to change my opinion considering Wilder could do NOTHING against Zhang and Parker just 1 year after dragging Fury into a life and death match up. This proves fury is overrated and so is Wilder, it was satisfying watching Zhang dominate and KO him in 5, to seal the fact he ain't world class.

Cunningham is mediocre and pushed Fury to a the brink by his own admission. If Cunningham can do that, it should've been obvious that a better cruiserweight like Usyk could beat him, this is why Usyk was the favorite. Yes, Usyk was the FAVORITE, Fury got beat up by a UFC fighter just a few months prior

"Hard hitting champion" so thats whats its reduced too ? Lmfao. Smith and Peter were a hard hitting champion too. They'd have probably iced Wilder. It's amazing that Fury was able to adapt and beat up a guy who only knows how to throw a right hand.... FFS. Fury showed the same adaptability against bum wallin after he was getting walked down and got cut, Fury made it a dogfight, only for Wallin to endure, turn it around and rock Fury in the 12th, and we know Wallin sucks, he's nowhere near top 10. Fury was in shape there are no excuses for that performance, therfor if Fury struggled with guys like Wallin while in shape, it's no suprise he ducked all the live contenders and fought easy non threatening fights besides someone with practically only 2 punches in his arsenal, to lessen the chances of taking an L. That lessens Furys status and greatness in my eyes considering his resume was already thin to begin with

I gave you several along with @Cojimar 1946 and you ignored or dismissed them, i even addressed Usyk being the favorite which shows the reality and perception of the matchup, especially after Usyk already beat another top super heavyweight in joshua. You can argue he has a better resume than Fury and therfor a better win, it's that easy, Usyk was even the underdog. Make a poll on who has a better resume aj or Fury, you would try to find a way to slime your way out anyway. It's absolute nonesense to put Fury on a pedestal considering he wasn't anywhere near the same guy who beat Wladimir, fought nobodies, old ass Chisora and ducked top competition but a 1 trick pony with 0 skill throughout his whole comback which could easily mask his decline, in fact he struggled with the 1 trick Pony. Trying to claim the Fury win was unique, and therfor great doesn't hold up to scrutiny. Holyfields Bowe win is better and it's not atg to me and so many others, just a top tier win

 

Why is Usyk's win over Wlad more remarkable than Sanders over Kitschko?
or Ruiz over Joshua?

As far as Fury's win over Wilder goes, how is it any more impressive than Hrgovic over Zhang? Or Parker over Ruiz?