Taylor was always massively overrated

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  1. DobyZhee

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    How long ago was that?
     
  2. Joeywill

    Joeywill Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Exactly

    He had talked about moving up for years

    I remember after the first Catterall fight he said he'd only do the rematch at 147

    Then proceeded to fight Lopez, Catterall and Essuman at 140

    Taylor and his team knew that he'd have little chance at beating Ennis, Crawford/Spence pre fight, and even guys like Barrios, Rocha, Norman and Stanionis would be hard

    Not even like Essuman is a big money fight at 140
     
  3. Joeywill

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    He was afraid to move up

    He wasn't confident he could beat the big dogs at 147 with his one dimensional stand in the middle of the ring grinding style
     
  4. Joeywill

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    Ya it's funny how when it comes to Taylor people on here bring up the opponents accolades but with Crawford they don't use that standard for Julius Idongo who was a unified champion

    I happen to not think Idongo was all that but a little consistency would be nice
     
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  5. Joeywill

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    In 2016 I think
     
  6. Serge

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    No way.

    In no order

    Postol

    Spence - PBC/Showtime hype job

    Gamboa - huge size mismatch. Crawford 7lbs heavier with a 9'' reach advantage. Gamboa was a 126/130 pounder whose form is trash at 135

    Madrimov - razor-close, arguably lost

    Burns - Would've been coming off B2B loses if not for corruption and extreme good fortune. He lost to Beltran and was down 84-87 on all three judge's cards in his backyard with 3 rounds left to go vs Jose A Gonzalez but the later suffered a freak arm/wrist injury and had to retire in his corner
     
  7. Serge

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    Debatable. Postol might be better. Beating Postol in your 13th fight >> beating Porter in your 26th

    13 + 13 = 26

    Half the amount of fights

    And a 7-0 Taylor administered a biblical ass whoopin to a 26-2-1 Porter in Porter's own gym
     
  8. MarkusFlorez99

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    Spence has a better record than Postol. Crawford took both their zeros
     
  9. gollumsluvslave

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    Tbf, I do think Porter is a better win for Crawford than Postol - Madrimov it remains to be seen after he lost to Ortiz Jr it took a bit of the shine off it for Bud.

    I think it was clear that Prograis was seen as a better win at the time than Postol, same with Ramirez, but both those guys have went on the same trajectory as Taylor himself since they lost, which has had an 'aged like milk' effect on Taylors resume.

    There is an argument that Spence and Taylor have another thing in common - IMO they were both clearly changed fighters after a key event - Taylor after coming off the rails post-Undisputed, and Spence after the car accident.

    No one can really ever say for sure exactly how much those things affected them both, but they 100% had a noticable effect IMO.
     
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  10. Serge

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    Re. Indongo. He's packing more glass in his whiskers than a bottle bank. I did an extensive breakdown of his opponents and it's genuinely hard to think of another world champion, let alone a unified one who fought as many featherfists as him

    With the exception of Troyanovsky who was a legit big puncher Indongo was stopped by everyone he fought who could punch a bit and Troyanovsky didn't land a single punch :lol:

    He went 2-9 after getting stopped by Crawford, 6 of said loses via stoppage, 5 in 4 rounds or less
     
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  11. Serge

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    Postol's record against 140 pounders might be better than Spence's record against 140 pounders. Spence might have even fought more 140 pounders than Postol did :lol:

    And Taylor took the zeros of JCR, Rougarou, Baranchyk, Martin, Catterall (controversial) Ohara, Khongsong and six of those zeros in B2B fights
     
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  12. Serge

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    The Porter who Crawford fought was literally coming off double hip replacement surgery so that depreciates the win. At least Postol, unlike a whole bunch of Crawford's wins, was able-bodied

    Yes. I think a 12-0 Taylor fighting Rougarou, Postol, and Ramirez like a man >> Crawford running like a thief in the night from Postol

    True.
     
  13. Serge

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    Yeah. Good fighter but a product of the PBC/Showtime smoke and mirrors hype machine. A better ''four-weight'' champion than his fellow PBC/Showtime smoke and mirrors four-weight champion Broner but that's not hard

    Shame we never got to see Loma vs Mikey because Loma would've paddled his ass, taken him to slick school and made him pull a no mas

    Speaking of Mikey

    Mikey on Loma vs Rigo

    ''A lot of time people don't take what I say serious, but I wouldn't be surprised if Rigo pulled it off''

    ''Rigo is a badass''

    ''It's definitely a good fight that's for sure''

    ''I feel Rigo might pull it off''

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    After

    Mikey Garcia: ''Lomachenko gets credit for Linares, but not Rigondeaux, Sosa, or Marriaga''

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  14. hoopsman

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    And?

    Mikey and Taylor can both be overrated,; this isn't a mutually exclusive proposition, my guy.

    Crawford is a potential ATG; I've never rated Taylor beyond a potential HOFer.

    I'm glad I can continue entertaining you, however
     
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  15. hoopsman

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    Serge dropping the hammer.
     
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