Wilders pre title competition is underrated

You completely backed up my statement with that ridiculous post.

Wilder's record against world ranked fighters is 11-4-1.

Not one win.

Another guy pissed that Wilder didn't unify with Joshua and didn't lose to Fury to complete Tyson's big comeback that year, so he runs down Wilder's opponents and doesn't even give him credit for anything.

They have been whining about it for so long they don't even realize they're doing it anymore.

At this point, I can almost type their responses word for word before they do.

 

Wilder is generally underrated.

His resume over all is quite weak, and he lost when he stepped up to the elite of his day, had 3 brutal fights with him, and fell off quickly after (making him look worse.)

At the end of the day though, going 40+ without a loss against world ranked opposition especially as a heavyweight is impressive, and he has downright frightening power and showed he had great heart…ESPECIALLY considering his late start and apparent lack of schooling in the fundamentals.

 

My point was he took shots after the AJ fight
Which he did
A boxer doesn't have to be a murderer to hurt someone

I just thought the guy was pretty tough5, no more no less than that

 

But the only real comp he fought was Wallin, who couldn't punch at all, and Wilder, who slaughtered him.

 

Took a fantastic punch from Wilder and managed to get up before 10

Ref made the right call as he was out of it but that punch would have left the majority of boxers on the floor

 

But was still out at 1, right?

 

Yep, ref stopped it
Good call but he would have carried on if allowed
He imo took that punch better than aot of Heavyweight fighters would have

I see what point your trying to make and on paper it's valid but as somebody that never rated Breazle much, I always thought he had a good chin

 

Pfft. If anything, it’s comically overrated.

 

I thought he shows some good whiskers against Joshua.I'll end it at that.

 

It's not an argument. It's a conversation
Don't get so emotional

I know they weren't. I wrote it was an example of top 15 of a sanctioning body rather than a universal top 15 and how different that can be as shown.
I also picked a 9-0 fighter as Usyk has only had so few fights, to give an equivalent example

Once again though, this is arguably the point
Joshua's title fights had records of
24 - 0 - 1
17 -0 - 0
25 - 3 - 0
63 - 5 - 0
35 - 3 - 1
24 - 0 - 0
34 - 0 - 1

Now consider how less pro fights Joshua had had and for both how many were sanctioning body top 15 HWs and universal top 10 HWs

There's nothing to argue as it is rather explanatory

I'm not sure what you think that proves?
Are you indicating with that, that Molina was a top HW because he challenged for the title?
Does that mean that you would then think he was a bigger challenge than say Joyce a couple of years ago who hadn't challenged for a world title and who also had far less fights as something you also cited?

Nobody ever said there was. That was giving you a current example of a top 15 ranked WBC HW. Though I think you understand that example, but just want to pretend otherwise and debate something not even said as you are not doing too well in the debate

At what times do you feel Szpilka and Molina were having the most success in their HW careers?

As said, I think he has some decent title wins. I agree, but said I think it is commented on, not for where he was based but because he didn't seem interested in certain fights and because there were even some fighters without titles arguably taking bigger fights around that sort of time

Maybe not. But in saying that, you have ruined your own argument about the quality of title opponents with your own comment

I don't know of anyone complaining about Wilder getting the third Fury fight.
I have seen people mention Fury with people saying Fury had to fight Wilder
I can't see anything wrong with Wilder pushing for something agreed

I'm still not even sure what you are on about here?
British HWs are still having a great run and have been for a long time
It is you that seems to be concerned about that for whatever reason
I get the impression though that you are rating what Wilder achieved by not fighting certain fighters rather than rating him for who be beat from what you have written

 

There was no planned celebrations for Fury's comeback.

He was turned on by the British public. He chose to do drugs and hookers instead of rein as heavyweight champion.

In fact Wilder cherry picked Fury to justify the AJ fight, instead of going straight for the unification.

But then Wilder ruined fir the second time it by getting schooled. AJ then ruined it by getting knocked out.

Both AJ and Wilder secured rematches to right the wrong and get the unification back on track, AJ did his part by beating Ruiz, Wilder couldn't do his part fir the thirs time, he lost.

So then it was AJ and Fury but Wilder for the fourth time ruined it by insisting on a rubber match.

AJ then ran into Usyk and the unification went to different people.

That being said, in terms of Wilder being viewed, most dont view him as the HW champ, you're the only person I've seen insisting he had a championship reign.

 

Compare Wilder at twenty fights to Fabio Wardley at twenty fights.

That should answer this ridiculous question and put an end to this odious thread.

 

At 30, Wilder finished up at 37-0, with 36 KOs, he was the WBC Heavyweight Champion, and he had four successful defenses under his belt. He had also been an Olympian, winning the Bronze Medal, a National Golden Gloves Champion and the US Amateur Champion.

At 30 (he'll be 31 later this year), Wardley is 19-0-1 with 18 KOs. And Saturday he barely managed to pick up a WBA Interim Belt (for what it's worth) with a late-round KO in a fight he was losing badly.

I doubt Wardley will ever have 37 pro fights.

No comparison is right.