Counting BOTH their amateur runs AND pros, Who was more impressive? Usyk Or mayweather?

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Who Was More Impressive AND better For The Sport??

  1. Oleksandr Usyk

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    62.8%
  2. floyd

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    40.4%
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  1. Cojimar 1946

    Cojimar 1946 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Undisputed is meaningless if a contender is better than the reigning champ. Usyk has beaten a grand total of 3 ranked opponents at heavyweights. That's not dominance by any criteria. Let him beat Kabayel, Hrgovic, Parker etc.

    An Usyk with wins over 12 ranked opponents at heavyweight is more dominant than the current Usyk regardless of undisputed status
     
  2. MidniteProwler

    MidniteProwler Fab 4. Mayor of Aussie Boxing Full Member

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    Corrales is seriously the only prime world champion that Floyd beat.
     
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  3. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It's not meaningless. Period. You are in your own little pocket-dimension reality. Good luck to you, there.
     
  4. kirk

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    Grouping amature fights into a fighters legacy, when comparing it to another fighter, makes no sense to me personally.

    Amature fights are nice but they are not a substitute for the real thing, and bring next to no value when comparing to professional accolades.

    just imo.


    So the answer to this question is Mayweather for me.
     
  5. kirk

    kirk l l l Staff Member

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    For me it can be hard to compare heavyweights with welterweights.

    Mayweather has this legendary status of beating bigger fighters than himself, and a significant portion of his status came from that notion. But in reality, he rarely fought people that had significant dimensional advantages on him. And whether people like it or not, weight isnt the only factor when it comes to size advantages. When you are fighting 'bigger guys' who are your height or shorter, and you have the reach advantage on them, and youre fighting in the smaller weightclasses, its simply not the same as fighting significantly larger fighters that are taller than you, significantly heavier than you, and have the reach advantage.

    Its actually interesting how few top tier fighters Mayweather fought that had both a height and reach advantage on him. 3 of the most prominent fighters in/around his era that did.... Forrest, Margarito and Williams, circumstances would have it that he never fought them (people tend to think he ducked them, I somewhat disagree but I understand that pov).

    Its hard for me to compare a career at the lower weights that was carefully curated the way Mayweathers was, to a career at cruiser and heavy, fighting substantially larger fighters, like Usyks career so far.

    Ultimately though, you eventually have to ask not just who overcame more disadvantages, which imo thats clearly Usyk, but, who beat the 'better fighters'.

    For me, Mayweather, while his resume is insanely overrated, I still do think he beat the more quality opposition over a longer period of time... despite doing it with more advantages than Usyk had. For that reason I ultimately have to give the edge to Mayweather.
     
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  6. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Both Carlos Hernandez and Genaro Hernandez were champs when Mayweather beat them. Canelo was an established champion and undefeated. Chavez was in his prime. Hatton was in his prime, Baldomir hadn't lost in 8 years and was coming off 2 high level wins. He beat Castillo too and several top ranked contenders he defended against were in their prime
     
  7. MidniteProwler

    MidniteProwler Fab 4. Mayor of Aussie Boxing Full Member

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    Both Hernandez were decent wins but not really better than Gassiev or Briedis. Canelo was compromised at 152 that is not a weight class. Hatton was not prime his best weight was 140 and Floyd lost the first fight to JLC. Baldomir is ok but nothing special. None of these wins are better than Fury, AJ or Briedis. Usyk beating undefeated world champion Glowacki in his hometown is better than Baldomir and Chavez.
     
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  8. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Hatton was still undefeated and 147 allows him to fill out as much as he likes, stop making excuses, he's leagues greater than Glowacki. Corrales is a better win than joshua and Gassiev. Mayweather rematched Castillo despite winning the first fight officially and beat him convincingly, that's greatness no matter how you view Floyd. Marquez is individually greater than any of Usyks opponents including Briedis despite the circumstances of Floyd beating him. Chavez, Judah, Baldomir and Hernadez are collectively way better than Huck and were still fighting at the top level. An old Shane Mosley coming off wins over Margarito and Mayorga is better than Dubois. Beating an old De La Hoya as the B side is better than beating Dubois twice. Beating a past it Cotto is better than beating Dubois twice. Beating Castillo twice is better than Beating Dubois twice. And then you have the miscellaneous lower tier wins against former champs or top contenders that only add to his record; Gatti, Ndou, Manfredy, Corley, Vargas, Mitchell, Sosa, Gerena. This record is far too stacked for me to call it worse than Usyks


    Canelo himself said he wasn't compromised and Mayweather was just that good. That win exceeds any of Usyks at heavyweight along with an old Pacquiao who proved his worth beating Thruman years later lol. Pacquiao even at that age is better than joshua and a past it Fury who got beat up by an old UFC fighter
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  9. Cojimar 1946

    Cojimar 1946 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Usyk has beaten 3 ranked opponents at heavyweight. How on earth can that constitute dominance comparable with Floyd at welterweight.

    John Ruiz beat more ranked heavyweights than Usyk. So did Chris Byrd.
     
  10. MidniteProwler

    MidniteProwler Fab 4. Mayor of Aussie Boxing Full Member

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    Like I have said there are a lot of good names on Floyd's resume but it is all about context.
    I don't have a problem with anyone thinking that Floyd is greater I more found it ridiculous that Floyd fans like @Pimp C were saying that Floyd is light years better than Usyk which simply isn't true I think a fair case can be made for either guy but my opinion is that Usyk is more impressive. A lot of Floyd's career was smoke and mirrors.
     
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  11. MidniteProwler

    MidniteProwler Fab 4. Mayor of Aussie Boxing Full Member

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    It's a testament to how great Usyk is achieving so much so quickly as a pro.
     
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  12. Slyk

    Slyk Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Two very, very great fighters. Tough to say, but if you insist we group amateur runs then it has to be Usyk.
     
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  13. mrbigshot

    mrbigshot Active Member Full Member

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    Some people are really talented to put every kind of fail in nice sounding words :D

    Look , i,m even greter than usyk : i achieved so much so quick without beating ANY ranked opponents ... and i will retire undefeated - i promise i never lost or will loose a hw pro fight ...

    Seriously : usyk road at hw is being paved with ukrainian money . From a sporting perspective his legacy is close to nothing , in no way he deserves two undisputed shots or a title shot at all . He makes this fights meaningsless
     
  14. OldSchoolBoxing

    OldSchoolBoxing Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Floyd participated in 1996 Olympics and couldn't win gold medal, and he has no amateur world championships. However, Usyk is an Olympic gold medalist, and also won multiple amateur world championships. So, no, Floyd tried and failed in amateurs.
     
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  15. OldSchoolBoxing

    OldSchoolBoxing Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Usyk is 2 division undisputed champion. Floyd was never an undisputed champion. It says all.

    Case closed.
     
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