Why Is Sergey Kovalev So Underrated?

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  1. MorvidusStyle

    MorvidusStyle Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It's true for his performance level he was 'under hyped' in boxing. And it's not just because he's EE, it's because he was a European male trying to be a star in modern Murica where the media system has other ideas. Being with Duva also meant that he was never going to get the massive promotion.

    The idea he didn't have an 'ethnic demographic' isn't precisely true as W America is 'diverse' and basically all Europeans fit into it at this point.
    So he had a 100-150 million there or whatever it is now, which is enough to sell a few tickets.

    Let's put it this way, if he was Korean, he would be marketed to all the Asian Americans, not just the Koreans, and get the support of them all too. An even better example would be a Nigerian being marketed to Afro-Americans. Would he be a foreigner taking food off their table?

    The media companies pick and choose when they want to exploit demographic markets. Golovkin and Bivol and Beterbiev and Sultan are not Europeans so they fall between the gaps, but Kovalev or Povetkin or Usyk etc., they could definitely be pushed if people really wanted to promote them to 100-150 million Euro-Americans, don't you think?

    But probably there are some aspects of the business I don't know and I'd need to talk to Arum or Finkel maybe to be set straight on it all. I just emailed them. Apparently Kovalev's drinking was a turn off the Evangelicals. The majority who guzzle beer and whiskey every weekend could have been exploited but they only like UFC.
     
  2. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Why? He was better H2H against his peers than GGG was. Yet received a fraction of the hype.

    If people want to talk about resume, let's be honest. His unofficial win against Ward was the single best win of the decade.
     
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  3. kirk

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    A 40 year old G gave Canelo a better fight than Kova did.

    Kova has a slightly better single win then G, his overall wins being better are debatable, but his stoppage losses balance that out imo.

    As for being less hyped than G, G was an anomaly, slightly overhyped himself and not the standard to measure against.

    That Kova wasnt as big a star as Golovkin doesnt make him generally underrated.

    Most people I see rate him, so so quite accurately.
     
  4. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Slightly better? There isn't a single win during the 2010s decade that is better than beating a prime Andre Ward. I struggle to find a win that is even close to that.
     
  5. anthoto1

    anthoto1 Active Member Full Member

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    Because he was robbed in the first Ward fight.
     
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  6. kirk

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    And my post remains entirely the same. He has a better single win, rest of his resume is meh, and his losses are bad.

    Most people rate him accurately.

    A very good but not great fighter.
     
  7. theanatolian

    theanatolian Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Marquez is unofficialy 4-0 against Pacquaio according to many, that doesn't make him one of the best ever.

    The fact that an "unofficial" win is where you build your entire case upon should tell you why he isn't rated as highly as you'd like.
     
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  8. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Marquez is almost universally recognized as a pound for pound ATG.
     
  9. Serge

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    He didn't turn pro until he was 26, and after uprooting from his homeland and heading to the US to forge a career for himself he had to fight for free for the first three years of his career (first 18 fights) because no major promoter would sign him, and he was already 31 when he won his first world title and obviously his lifestyle cut his prime short and getting robbed of all his world titles in one fell swoop which he had to work so hard for and make enormous sacrifices to finally get himself in that position took a huge toll on him mentally too

    But he was a beast in his prime and his power alone which was borderline freakish is some of the most nasty we've ever seen at the weight. He was breaking bones and I mean like ribs bones, dropping iron-jawed fighters and scoring KOs with jabs for goodness sake.

    And he had excellent boxing skills and timing

    This is one of the first times he really caught my attention

    That right hand sounds like a gun shot. Thompson is a really durable guy and this is the only time he was ever stopped

    Look at how he closes the show shortly afterwards too

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    Absolutely devastating combinations. Again, he's the only fighter who ever stopped Pascal

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    I think he dropped every fighter he fought from 2010 to 2016 (20 fights in a row including all of his world title defences), right up until Ward 2

    When it comes to offensive forces prime Krusher is one of the most devastating ones we've seen in a long time.

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  10. Serge

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    Nathan Cleverly

    ''Kovalev is a massive puncher; each punch is like being hit by a sledgehammer,'' Cleverly said. ''He sparked Ismayl Sillah clean out in the second round '' he was completely gone. He didn't do that to me, he shook me up and I was in no position to continue really, I was drunk from the punches and I have got a great chin, so he does hit hard and he's probably the most dangerous Light Heavyweight out there.''

    Were you surprised by how hard he hit?

    I suppose I wasn't surprised because with his record it was inevitable that he was a banger and every shot he threw was a thudding shot. It was like a hammer. He wasn't rapid fast, he had good timing, good distance and his punches were just so hard... His jab, his right hand. Just when he caught you on the shoulder he would have an impact and he was just clubbing me. He just clubs you with his heavy hands and he's the type to just club you into submission. That's his aim. To club you until he puts you down. I just kept it tight early but I knew, after taking a few of his punches, I knew I couldn't afford to be caught with a shot on the chin. I knew that. I remember thinking in the first round, if he catches me clean, I'm gone. I remember thinking that.

    Yeah. I did think I would be able to take it but I knew, I knew and especially from the first round '' I knew if he caught me clean it was highly likely I would go. Even the shots on the gloves and the shoulder, the impact was really heavy. It was clear to me from the first couple of punches that when this guy landed I would be in trouble.

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    ''Kovalev is an animal of a puncher''

    -- Nathan Cleverly

    Darnell Boone

    'KOD: Who is the hardest puncher that you have fought?

    Darnell Boone: The hardest puncher was [Sergey] Kovalev. He knows exactly how to use his height and leverage with punches. He keeps you on the outside, away from getting on the inside on him. He fights tall.

    Cornelius White

    ''His power is unreal,'' White said of Kovalev. ''I've never felt that power before. I've fought heavyweights, cruiserweights and I've never felt that before. And they weren't bricks. It was steel.''

    Interview with former Kovalev victim Lionell Thompson. Thompson has sparred against a who's who of the LHW and SMW divisions: Beterbiev, Dawson, Bute, Froch, Pascal Troy Ross, David Lemieux and numerous others too. He said every shot he throws is heavy, even the ones on the arms and gloves hurt and that no one hits like Kovalev.

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    ''I ain't ever been hit that hard. When he hit me it felt like somebody lifted the soul out of my body.''

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    Pascal on Kovalev, Beterbiev, and Bivol

    'Pascal is very familiar with all three of the Russian boxers.

    He suffered two defeats at the hands of Kovalev, he used Bivol as a sparring partner, and Beterbiev was his stablemate in the gym.

    While he believes Beterbiev is the best fighter of the three, he says Kovalev is the hardest puncher of the three. 2018 will be interested year to watch, if all three Russian punchers will begin to face each other in unification bouts.

    "Bivol was my training partner for my second fight against Kovalev. Who has the style that was more complicated for me, it was Kovalev. The best of the three? It's Beterbiev. On the other hand, the one that hits the hardest, it is Kovalev," Pascal told The Montreal Journal.
     
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  11. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    And can we stop pretending that the best wins of the likes of Kovalev and GGG are not Ward and Clenelo.

    Kovalev, GGG, Loma, Korobov to name but a few didn't not get their hands raised against Ward, Clenelo, Haney and Salido, Jermallo respectively because they were unlucky. They didn't get their hands raised in those fights due to sheer corruption. Isn't it amazing how all these ''close fights which could go either way'' damn near always flow in one direction?

    How many times have all the fighters who 'beat' them been robbed? Ward, Clenelo, Haney, Jermallo etc. Exactly
     
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  12. ellerbe

    ellerbe Loyal Member Full Member

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    Let’s be honest. Kov was completed **** and might have even thrown that fight against Canelo.
     
  13. kirk

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    Nah. Not imo.
     
  14. Dorrian_Grey

    Dorrian_Grey It came to me in a dream Full Member

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    Ward was pretty removed from his prime by the time Koavlev got to him. He wasn't a natural LHW and he had been ravaged by injuries and inactivity for the better half of a decade before fighting Kovalev. I loved the first Ward-Kovalev fight and quite frankly have no qualms about the decision. In the first four rounds, Kovalev controlled the fight with his jab, 1-2, and stockade to stop Ward from getting his usual comforts on the inside. But after those first four rounds, Ward did what he always does and adapted, he mixed up his attack and walked Kovalev onto plenty of smart, subtle counters, and even began to get his hands and head free from Kovalev's stockade so could work on the inside again. He interrupted Kovaled's rhythm and showed more layers to his game imo. Kovalev had a very good 10th round where he started baiting Ward into leading then countered him but other than that, Kovalev had pretty scant successes against Ward beyond the first four rounds.

    I don't agree with the narrative that it was an egregious robbery. I think Ward did a very savvy and intelligent job of outboxing Kovalev, I think it was an incredibly close fight, and I think it's one of the best chess-matches I've ever seen in a boxing ring. But Kovalev was a bully at heart. He was a very well-schooled bully with good feet and snappy, heavy punches, but he was a bully and a front-runner with questionable stamina and self-belief. I went into watching that fight expecting to see the Kovalev victory I'd been told about so much but instead I ended up the same as the judges, 114-113 Ward.

    Oh, and GGG is a much better fighter by a lot of measures. Better engine, chin, jab, back-foot boxing, punch-selection, combination-punching, and more mentally durable. Golovkin was a more fluid and versatile fighter who lived the life, had a better career, and beat his biggest rival a lot clearer.
     
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  15. kirk

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    Best wins are end of career Ward, end of career Hopkins, solid Yarde, Pascal, mid Alvarez and mid Cleverly.

    Stopped by midget canelo, mid Alvarez and end of career Ward.

    Two of his kos were to fighters that moved up.

    He was a one weight champion.

    This is his legacy.

    Exactly how high is he supposed to be rated.

    Most people have him as an excellent fighter that falls short of greatness.

    Not sure how someone can view his legacy and conclude anything else.
     
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