Would the Soviet sports machine have taken over boxing had they allowed their Boxers to turn pro?

I'm far too old to pivot .

Oh, I thought it was about how successful Russian amateurs would be had they been allowed to go pro?

 

From 1969 to 1988, the Soviets beat the Americans 18 times in 22 dual mixed-weight meets, and 12 of 14 times in heavyweight competitions. This represents an 82% win rate in mixed-weight competitions and an 86% win rate in heavyweight-specific matches, hardly the record of a team that "couldn't dominate." and from 1974 to 1989, the USSR won 45 medals in World Amateur Boxing Championships so yes they were pretty dominate against American amateurs.

 

It says Soviet or do you think the Soviet Union as only Russia? Little history lesson for you from someone who's family is from the Soviet Union, it encompassed Russia but also republics like Ukraine and Kazakhstan but all of the boxing programs were the same.

 

I don't know about "take over" that seems a bit extreme but it would certainly have greatly changed boxing history. I understand that this is a cop out answer but I personally don't see how someone can be confident either way on this question.

 

My family are originally fromGermany [Fathers side]Denmark[ Mothers side,]so I must be an expert on both.

Any Russians/Soviets train any of those guys as pros?

 

Yes Anatoly Lomachenko, who trained Vasyl and Usyk for a bit is a Soviet coach, Usyk current trainer Yuri Tkachenko is a Soviet coach, Bivol's trainer Gennady Gushianov is a Soviet coach, Povetkin found a lot of success when he went to Soviet coach Ivan Kirpa etc

 

I never mentioned Bivol or,Povetkin.

 

I personally think it is different because I don't think Nazi Germany and the USSR are even close to a 1 to 1 comparison. Not politically similar but also more importantly not similar in a boxing sense either. I'm not expert on the matter but there seems to have been way more talent in the USSR than in 1930s Nazi Germany when it comes to boxing. I'm sure there is a bunch of reasons for this which should probably be its own thread. Look at the stats that @themaster458 posted earlier in this thread, assuming these are true do you think Nazi Germany could've pulled off similar numbers? I personally wouldn't be confident in that.

 

Ivan Drago > Hans Gruber, basically.

Maybe if USSr boxers had turned pro, Apollo wouldn’t have had to die.

 

It's been awhile since I've watched the movie but if I remember correctly if Rocky just threw the towel in, Apollo wouldn't have died.

 

Infighters were historically poison to soviet boxers in the amateurs. The pros back then were absolutely crawling with inside fighters, so they wouldn’t have the same success they did against later, weaker eras.

 

They were the first ones to do it, so for a few years at least, they WERE the only ones doing it. We know for a fact Soviet doping was straight up state sponsored, it’s well documented.

 

You think Starling is more impressive than Usyk? Could you expand on that?

 

Yessir I think he was a more complete fighter.