Could Sonny Liston have made it undefeated vs Louis title defenses?

And I'm right everytime funny how that works.

Do you really think Frazier was ever the same after the damage he took in the FOTC? It wasn't as important as people make it out to be Ali was still in great shape in the first fight arguably the best shape he'd ever be and still lost but people just want to make excuses for his losses.

 

Oh I see,so the past-prime Ali laying on so much punishment to Joe Frazier that by consensus Smokin'Joe
was simply never the same fighter again means Ali had nothing to stop Frazier ? Just a couple of observations-
have you looked at the state of Joe's face after FOTC ? Also why would Ali need to stop Frazier ? All the evidence points to the peak Ali securing a decision against Smokin' Joe.
As for Ali being my idol ? No ! In fact I'm a much bigger fan of Joe than I am of Ali.I'm just pointing out the
truth with regards to the respective merits of Ali and Frazier as fighters.
To summarize I regard Smokin' Joe as an ATG,but Ali just happens to the GOAT.

 

Tell me a single thing I said wrong then you can yap. Otherwise keep making up fanfic about how great your idols were, I'll keep living in reality and describing how they actually were not the fairytale version you created in your heads.

 

Too right mate,I've just pointed out to this chap that if anything I'm a much bigger fan of Smokin'Joe
than I am of Ali !

 

I don't make excuses for his losses,but I do think, and Dundee,Torres,and Jerry Izenberg agree with me that with more rounds under his belt Ali might have won their first fight,as it was he did enough to hospitalize Frazier for a considerable time.
Do you know ,you sound a lot like Klompton,your posts have the same,dripping with condescension quality about them.

 

Did he stop him then? Nope then yes that suggests Ali could never stop him or is that too hard for to comprehend?

How? Would being slightly faster somehow magically solve all the technical flaws that he had that would allow him to win? Would it solve his issue of being open to the left hook? Would it solve the issue of getting stuck on the ropes? All of these flaws were evident in his prime but magically he would solve them if he was faster? Get real my dude

 

Mate I'm 76 I don't have idols,and my favourite heavyweight is Jack Dempsey. More smug projection on your part,we have heard it all before.Ad Nauseum.

 

How? Give me a technical breakdown of how being slightly faster would solve the flaws in his style that Frazier exploited to win. If you can't do that then idc what others say give me an actual breakdown not yapping about what other people said.

 

Ali is the most popular boxer of all time so it usually finds it's way back to him in one way or another.

 

It shows get with the times old man

 

You don't think he went to the ropes because he didn't trust his legs and stamina? Well you are in the minority.

 

If you are an example of the times,I'm content to stay exactly where I am.

 

And that is why you are a fossil but at least you can admit it!

 

So in other words you're incapable of actually giving a technical breakdown. All you can do is repeat talking points from other people good to know!

 

He had a chance to stop him in the 2nd rd of their 2nd fight,the referee made a balls up ,and I believe would have stopped him had Futch let him out for further punishment in their 3rd one.