Could Sonny Liston have made it undefeated vs Louis title defenses?

How? Give me a technical breakdown of how being slightly faster would solve the flaws in his style that Frazier exploited to win. If you can't do that then idc what others say give me an actual breakdown not yapping about what other people said.

 

Ali is the most popular boxer of all time so it usually finds it's way back to him in one way or another.

 

It shows get with the times old man

 

You don't think he went to the ropes because he didn't trust his legs and stamina? Well you are in the minority.

 

If you are an example of the times,I'm content to stay exactly where I am.

 

And that is why you are a fossil but at least you can admit it!

 

So in other words you're incapable of actually giving a technical breakdown. All you can do is repeat talking points from other people good to know!

 

He had a chance to stop him in the 2nd rd of their 2nd fight,the referee made a balls up ,and I believe would have stopped him had Futch let him out for further punishment in their 3rd one.

 

That's it! I've never actually watched a fight.

Here is a technical question for you "Master".lol What did Eddie Futch spot in Ali's style that enabled Norton to have so much success with his jab?

 

Watching a fight and actually knowing what's going on in the fight are two different things. You clearly don't know what's going on same with a lot of popular talking heads from your era.

That's easy, Eddie Futch noticed Ali didn’t keep his right hand in position when he jabbed, he’d hold it out to the side and rely on leaning back to avoid counters, instead of blocking or parrying incoming jabs. Futch told Norton to jab with Ali, timing his jab to land simultaneously, which exploited Ali’s habit. It was exactly why Norton’s jab disrupted Ali’s rhythm so effectively and why Futch believed any disciplined jabber could give Ali trouble(something I literally brought up multiple times but of course you ignored it).

 

Correct,maybe it's just your smugness I don't like?

 

Hi Buddy.
I would like to offer my thoughts on your to and fro with mcvey and the Ali - Frazier fight of 71, you say how would being slightly faster solve the flaws that Frazier exploited, well I would say that if he was faster, there would be no flaw to exploit ! the fact that he stayed close to the ropes enabled Frazier to bombard him with body blows thus slowing Ali down, and that would lead to more punishment, and a greater points deficit for Ali to makeup, of course you are free to disagree as is your wont, as a sidebar, why are you so disrespectful to him, he is an elder statesman, who has been on the forum for a very long while, and as such warrants a modicum of respect, as I am also an old fossil, feel free to dismiss me and my comments out of hand.
that said, stay safe buddy, chat soon.
Mike.

 

Mate,you've got to improve your reading skills.I did say Ali wouldn't need to stop Smokin' Joe.Slightly faster ? What ? Ali just couldn't keep up the pace of his pre-banishment days.
That's blatantly obvious.Overall Ali's decline in speed was considerable.
'' Slightly faster '' ? Ali was a helluva lot faster over the distance. Gimme strength !
So when did Ali ever lose because he got stuck on the ropes when he was in his prime ?
Why on earth are you coming out with this nonsense ?

 

Ditto friend !

 

Well said Mike.