Joe Louis would beat Muhammad Ali… possibly quite badly

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Journeyman92, Jun 18, 2025 at 8:14 PM.


What’s your opinion?

  1. Louis

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  2. Ali

    70.5%
  3. Draw

    1.6%
  1. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    You totally miss the point,whenPastor elected to use his footwork and speed to stay out of harms way,Louis couldn't do anything with him.
    "Before a howling, near-capacity crowd of 18,000, Joe Louis, minus his fistic bombs, outpointed Bob Pastor tonight in a 10-round pursuit that presented one of the strangest heavyweight spectacles witnessed in the Garden's battle pit in many a moon. Pastor put on a reverse brand of footwork with such success that he weathered the limit of 10 full rounds without once being seriously damaged, much less knocked off his feet. Louis, slow, wild and completely baffled by his rival's tactics, showed the effects of Pastor's punches around the region of the ribs and kidneys, besides a sore nose that bled throughout the last five rounds. The Bomber's lefts jarred Pastor at intervals, including the 4th, 5th and 8th rounds, but he missed more blows than he connected. Pastor, in retreat nine-tenths of the entire fight, covered more ground than a cross-country runner, but he did it purposely and accomplished his objective, namely, to go the route and keep his chin out of harm's way." -Associated Press .
    That's a ringside report not a Wives tale.
    Pastor weighed 179lbs for that fight,24 lbs lighter than Louis ,and was under 6ft , in 65 fights he only scored 17 stoppage wins,so he wasnt a banger, all he had was speed and that was enough to keep him safe.
    Pastor was ko'd by a single left hook to the body by177lbs Conn ,who was no puncher.
     
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  2. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    We look forward to your detailed breakdown of this matchup.
     
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  3. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 Out For Milk Full Member

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    Yes, lots of fighters can run, he didn’t do anything but be non combative and in spurts had the S kicked out of him why do you keep brining it up? I don’t understand the relevance, Louis won that fight easily, 2nd one even easier where he clubbed him to the cavas 4 times LOL. Have you actually watched the fights? Or do you just use articles and boxrec? Those bouts are in no way a knock on Louis’s ability to beat “movers” and for a man who “boxed for 20 years” you ought to know that a body shot is accuracy over power by now. A well placed liver shot knocks everybody.
     
  4. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 Out For Milk Full Member

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    I look forward to your borderline baseball stat slop post where you refute it with some dusty article instead of looking at the fighters.
     
  5. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    The point is if a punchless light heavy could do this,below.
    "showed the effects of Pastor's punches around the region of the ribs and kidneys, besides a sore nose that bled throughout the last five" rounds."
    What could a 6 ft 3, 212 lbs superior fighter in every way to Pastor do?
    I not only watched the fights, I bought them ,over 50 years ago!
    Now get your act together and construct a case for Louis beating Ali there is one , a totally pausible and reasonable one, but it doesn't consist of a lot of unsubstantiated personal opinion.
    Post how Louis does it,show us what qualities he has that nullify/overide Ali's?
    Then you'll start getting some respect.
     
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  6. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    I was watching Johnson,Louis,Dempsey,Marciano,Tunney on super 8mm film when you were still sucking on the tit.
     
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  7. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    Listen, the guy clearly gets off on stupid confrontations. I honestly don’t even remember seeing him before the past two days but the pattern is transparent. I’m simply bored and will ignore him moving forward. He’s clearly a last word freak so I say let him spew his jism and move on.
     
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  8. Boxerboxer222

    Boxerboxer222 New Member Full Member

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    It basically means making multiple posts which flood the board. To be fair Journeyman just did it there. So I'll use him as an example

    Basically he made two separate posts replying to the same poster within a 10 minute timeframe when you can use the reply button to respond to numerous posts. It floods the thread and I've noticed Mcvey does it a lot and it clogs the thread unnecessarily. Maybe it's just a me thing but I think it'd be more cohesive. Though I realise that he's older so maybe he didn't know you could do this. It doesn't even have to be the same poster you can respond to numerous different posters at the same time.

    ""Frazier got quite upset when compared to Marciano"
    You clearly have a hate boxer for the guy mate. It's obvious and Frazier straight up said that Louis and Marciano were the two greatest heavyweights ever. I don't think he'd be "upset" to be compared to a legend of the sport.
    ""Don't try and Lecture me you don't have the credentials yet"
    I'll lecture you however I want and I'll especially do it if you're going to be that cheeky and condescending towards me.
     
  9. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Come back in20 years Sonny, is that condescending enough for you?
     
  10. Boxerboxer222

    Boxerboxer222 New Member Full Member

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    How mature of you. Must be going senile.
     
  11. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    If there is a vacancy for a post policeman,I think you ,with your vast experience here should go for it.
    Where do you get off admonishing and complaining about how others post? WTF are you for us to take any notice of?
     
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  12. JohnThomas1

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    Don't be drawn in any further Mac. Not worth it mate.
     
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  13. mcvey

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    Snot noses who haven't been here five minutes, handing out lectures,the arrogance of youth.
     
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  14. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 Out For Milk Full Member

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    That was fast he done got WASTED with the ban hammer.
     
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  15. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 Out For Milk Full Member

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    Buddy, I don’t think I want your respect, you’re an old man who comes back from the pub and raves on about how people are cowards over fantasy boxing opinions kick rocks.