Lennox Lewis chin: is it bad as advertised?

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  1. Jakub79

    Jakub79 Active Member Full Member

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    everything is fine, you don't have to get upset. You write that Mercer learned to fight after Holmes (because he probably didn't know how to before), meanwhile he lost every important fight, even with Jesse Ferguson, he had a draw with Marion Wilson and never achieved such success as before Holmes when he beat the undefeated Damiani, the undefeated Morrison. So I wonder on what basis you think that 35-year-old Mercer was better than 30-year-old.. his greatest success was an undeserved victory with Tim Whitearspoon who beat him better than Lewis. So?
     
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  2. JohnThomas1

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    I'm not upset, you are just hard work. I didn't say Mercer learned to fight after Holmes and nor did i remotely hint he didn't know how to fight beforehand. Do you think he won all those amateur and professional fights without knowing how to.....fight?

    He didn't lose every important fight after that.

    Mercer said he learned to jab via Holmes. You might be able to find him on social media and tell him he's talking rot.
     
  3. Jakub79

    Jakub79 Active Member Full Member

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    but I'm not talking to Mercer, I'm talking to you. That's what this forum is for, right? Boxers aren't objective about themselves. Tyson said he's Alexander the Great, should I go to a historical forum and argue that he's his incarnation because he said so? You've said your opinion, although it seems that you're withdrawing it yourself. No, I don't think Mercer learned to fight after Holmes. In my opinion, his prime was 1991-1992, although he still had a lot of gas in the tank and was ok until at least the end of the decade. What is your opinion, we don't know, because you can't define it clearly.
     
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  4. JohnThomas1

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    Mercer was a late starter and didn't turn pro until he was almost 28. He didn't pull a glove on until 23. Despite winning the Olympics his amateur career wasn't overly deep. He was 18 pro fights deep when he fought Holmes and was on an upward trend in quality of opposition. He was still learning. Do you think he gained nothing spending 12 rounds in the ring with a master craftsman in Holmes? Do you think he learned nothing sharing another 10 rounds with Evander Holyfield? No benefits to his experience? Again, he said himself how much he learned from Holmes jab. He utilized his jab better and definitely improved his defense, which was extremely porous up to the Holmes loss. Mercer was hot and cold, particularly in his conditioning.
     
  5. Jakub79

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    I'm not claiming anything of the sort. I just asked politely in which fights he was hot and in which he was hot. And in which fights after Holmes did you notice significant improvement in Mercer. I see the first fight with Ferguson and I see no improvement from Damiani and Morrison. I see the second fight and I see no improvement.. I see the fight with Wilson and I see regression.. that's why I wanted you to show me where the improvement was and in return some gibberish - ... style..hot ... cold... wtf?? what are you on about?
     
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  6. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member

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    You are impossible, move on.
     
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  7. BoxingFan2002

    BoxingFan2002 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Not bad but not too good, same goes for Tyson.

    If prime Foreman or Tyson lands something on Lewis chin, he would be over for real.
     
  8. Jakub79

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    ok, so it looks like you can't answer a simple question. it wasn't too difficult, it wasn't offensive, it wasn't inappropriate but instead of just doing it, you prefer to insult your interlocutor by creating 10 evasive posts and then taking offense ;) what are your statements worth if they are repeated phrases? have you watched any of Mercer's fights? never mind, don't answer.. to me you are a troll who gets frustrated as soon as someone tests his knowledge of boxing
     
  9. MaccaveliMacc

    MaccaveliMacc Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Tyson had way better chin than Lewis. He was never knocked down with one shot like Lennox did.
     
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  10. BoxingFan2002

    BoxingFan2002 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I agree that Mike Tyson had a better chin than Lewis, but not a significant difference. Mike's Chin was less vulnerable due to his defense and physique.
     
  11. Dynamicpuncher

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    Holyfield knocked him down with a single uppercut in their 1st meeting in 6th round.

    I do agree though Tyson has a better chin.
     
  12. MaccaveliMacc

    MaccaveliMacc Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I always saw it more as an off balance shot but you're right.
     
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  13. OddR

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    The Rahman knock down was down to Lewis showboating and thinking he could avoid the shot and he did get up against McCall.

    He took huge punches against Tua Tyson Mercer Vitali Holyfield without even seriously flinching so it was a above average chin in my book.
     
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  14. sauhund II

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    And then you woke up..............morbid obese Tua and the Ghost of Tyson never landed a decent shot.............Trial horse Mercer is a average banger who claim to fame is stopping glass chinned Morrison, Vitali ios a total arm puncher who needed a million punches to stop anybody and Holyfield was a sharp but by no means a hard puncher
     
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