Petty squabbling/Name-calling/Making Meatballs/Alts

Pugguy · Jun 22, 2025 at 9:16 PM

Glass City Cobra said: ↑

I will try to leave my 2 cents in the most civil way possible.

If the mods want to ban someone for name calling or dragging arguments on for multiple threads, fine. I actually don't have a problem with this at all.

The elephant in the room is what led up to the squabbling in the first place. The mods don't seem to pay much attention to some of the more heated discussions and how they get derailed. It is quite frequently the same handful of individuals who do this arguing in bad faith, and the mods know who they are. I'm not perfect by any means and I'm not trying to insinuate the forum would be a paradise without these people or that they should go. An echo chamber is boring.

But at the same time, a chaotic wild west where the mods only step in to play clean up is equally uninspiring. To put it bluntly, the forum as a whole is incredibly underdeveloped on an intellectual level when it comes to holding some sort of standards in a debate/discussion. People will intentionally or unintentionally use red herrings, deflections, fail to backup their claims, filibuster, etc. Since the mods rarely seem to regulate these things, some posters such as myself at least attempt to keep these things under control in order to have a more cohesive discussion.

Calling someone out for refusing to answer a question is not flame baiting.

Calling someone out for lying should not be a criminal offense.

Calling someone out for derailing or arguing in bad faith should be something the whole forum can get behind.

Should these call outs be done with insults? No, and I take accountability for going overboard in this regard. I'm not justifying it, but in the absence of regulation for deliberate behavior that leads to bringing down the overall quality of the forum, I'm not sure what the mods expect us to do. Just accept that it's next to impossible to have an honest conversation about boxing and that a good thread can get ruined?

I've rambled enough and made myself clear to anyone who gives a damn about this issue. As for solutions, well, it should be obvious. I've never been a mod or ran a forum, but to me it's common sense to penalize intentional logic fallacies and negative disingenuous behavior that kills the vibe. I would also suggest entertaining the idea of having "formal debates" with a panel of judges where people can attempt to resolve controversial ongoing heated topics such as the quality of Rocky's opposition, Leonard vs Hagler, etc.

I really don't think I'll be sticking around if we keep having more mud slinging threads in classic. General forum is already embarrassing enough, we're supposed to be better than this.
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Funny you mentioned the General Forum.

One has to be mindful when moving from
a, shall we say, more energised? (lol) discussion in General straight back to Classic - it’s like exiting from a crazy 110 km +, devil may care freeway - always got to be mindful to hit the anchors hard a bit as your exiting and align yourself with the moderate speed limits in general (and by speed limits “In general” I actually mean “In Classic”).

McGrain · Jun 22, 2025 at 9:49 PM

IntentionalButt said: ↑

...can I ask why @AntonioMartin1's perfectly fine "this forum lately" thread got deleted? Or if that wasn't you, do you know who did so and why?

There was some good, respectful productive chat in there. It really didn't rate deletion and the subject was brought up in a way that, I'm sure, wasn't meant to be attacking this place so much as questioning why the status quo HW obsession, a point that has been raised by many Classic regulars over the years. If nothing else, I suppose migrate it downstairs into the Lounge if not boxing-centric enough, but...it's a meta thread about boxing nerds and how to parse out the space, and how much bandwidth to allocate for which divisions. Fits well enough here as many other meta threads which get left alone. But outright sniping it? With several of my high-quality posts down the drain? Nah, won't do.
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I don't know anything about it.

KasimirKid · Jun 22, 2025 at 11:55 PM

mcvey said: ↑

Sorry to inform you I'm still here.Mendoza moved to Boxing Scene and was banned there last week.
In the interests of harmony,I won't post anything further on the Marciano or Liston threads ,the latter was predictably turned into a Marciano thread anyway.
Its my Wife's and my Anniversary today, we have had a lovely afternoon with friends at their bungalow, eating and drinking in the sun, listening to music and recollecting old times.

Peace and Love to All.
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Happy anniversary, McVey!

Pugguy · Jun 23, 2025 at 3:49 AM

KasimirKid said: ↑

Happy anniversary, McVey!
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Yeah, Happy Anniversary to you and your lovely wife Mac! @mcvey

salsanchezfan · Jun 23, 2025 at 4:53 AM

I’ve been here 21 years now, and can honestly say the place is FAR less contentious than it used to be. It’s not even close. Still, there’s always room for improvement.

Journeyman92 · Jun 23, 2025 at 5:35 AM

salsanchezfan said: ↑

I’ve been here 21 years now, and can honestly say the place is FAR less contentious than it used to be. It’s not even close. Still, there’s always room for improvement.
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Classic case of old timers downplaying modern posters.

FrankinDallas · Jun 23, 2025 at 5:43 AM

Journeyman92 said: ↑

Classic case of old timers downplaying modern posters.
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Old timers rule, modern posters drool.

What difference does it make if posters have long back and forth conversations? Surely they aren't taking up so much cyber space that it costs the company behind this site any money? The Mendoza/McVey battles were hilarious IMO.

I guess personal attacks are ban worthy but you can put that sort of poster on ignore. I should know; my list looks like a phone book. Sorry, youngsters don't know what a phone book is.

AntonioMartin1 · Jun 23, 2025 at 5:50 AM

IntentionalButt said: ↑

...can I ask why @AntonioMartin1's perfectly fine "this forum lately" thread got deleted? Or if that wasn't you, do you know who did so and why?

There was some good, respectful productive chat in there. It really didn't rate deletion and the subject was brought up in a way that, I'm sure, wasn't meant to be attacking this place so much as questioning why the status quo HW obsession, a point that has been raised by many Classic regulars over the years. If nothing else, I suppose migrate it downstairs into the Lounge if not boxing-centric enough, but...it's a meta thread about boxing nerds and how to parse out the space, and how much bandwidth to allocate for which divisions. Fits well enough here as many other meta threads which get left alone. But outright sniping it? With several of my high-quality posts down the drain? Nah, won't do.
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I was wondering that myself lol but decided not to bring it back and earn a warning or something lol..

salsanchezfan · Jun 23, 2025 at 10:03 AM

Journeyman92 said: ↑

Classic case of old timers downplaying modern posters.
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You’re all just so……….so………..nice. Buncha Nicey Nicersons.

IntentionalButt · Jun 23, 2025 at 3:11 PM

McGrain said: ↑

I don't know anything about it.
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Ah, then someone's been overstepping and modding on your turf.

It contained the gem "people come to internet boxing nerd HQ, and they encounter a 10:1 LaStarza to Burley ratio - worse yet, 5:1 Snipes to Pep - it's a bit off-putting".

IntentionalButt · Jun 23, 2025 at 3:11 PM

AntonioMartin1 said: ↑

I was wondering that myself lol but decided not to bring it back and earn a warning or something lol..
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I think Mac knows you're hardly a troublemaker.

Melankomas · Jun 23, 2025 at 4:43 PM

FrankinDallas said: ↑

Old timers rule, modern posters drool.

What difference does it make if posters have long back and forth conversations? Surely they aren't taking up so much cyber space that it costs the company behind this site any money? The Mendoza/McVey battles were hilarious IMO.

I guess personal attacks are ban worthy but you can put that sort of poster on ignore. I should know; my list looks like a phone book. Sorry, youngsters don't know what a phone book is.
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Posting has evolved bud, we have modern nutrition now!

Rollin · Jun 23, 2025 at 4:54 PM

IntentionalButt said: ↑

Ah, then someone's been overstepping and modding on your turf.

It contained the gem "people come to internet boxing nerd HQ, and they encounter a 10:1 LaStarza to Burley ratio - worse yet, 5:1 Snipes to Pep - it's a bit off-putting".
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My Sandy Saddler threads just die way too fast and it ain't right.

Journeyman92 · Jun 23, 2025 at 4:57 PM

Rollin said: ↑

My Sandy Saddler threads just die way too fast and it ain't right.
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I’ll willing do a RBR for a Saddler fight if you kick it off, or even just a fight assessment etc whatever you cook, I know you get off to hand fighting so I’ll leave the ball in your court brother.

Rollin · Jun 23, 2025 at 4:59 PM

.. and any modern poster here who was mad enough to debate comic book battles knows the real warfare. With no rage, but only cold pursuit of utter loss of credibility of the other guy. Debating men in tight suits, abstract concepts of power, godhood, and physics, and whether DCEU Superman can beat MCU Thor.

Martial art fans think themselves tough, aye? Wait until you tell a guy his favorite superhero ain't ****.

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