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This is deceptive. Williams fought a couple 4-round bouts when he was 16 before being suspended for fighting underage.

Another thing is Williams had zero amateur career. He supplemented by fighting novices and club fighters early in his career to learn the craft.

Agramonte was in his penultimate fight and ended up losing his next (and final) fight as well.

Garner was in his last fight and hadn't won in 4 years. Talk about grasping at straws.

Agreed. Guys like Rademacher fighting for the title in their debut fight were experienced enough.

Correct. He was young, green, years away from a ranking, and came in as a last second substitute.
"Cleveland Williams a 20 year-old heavyweight with the potential ability of a champion, faces the first major test of his three year career tonight when he meets Bob Satterfield of Chicago in the feature 10-round bout at Miami Beach auditorium. Satterfield, a far more experienced fighter is a 7-5 favorite."

"Williams took the Satterfield match on short notice replacing Charley Doc Williams after the latter pulled out of the match."
"His fighter is in perfect physical condition but has had very little sparring. Cleveland has done pretty of road work since beating Jones two weeks ago but did not do any sparring until Sunday."

"but Chris (promoter Dundee) was in a hole and I decided to take Satterfield. I'm as anxious to see this one as you are."

"So we took the gamble. I know Satterfield is a helluva puncher and he's got a big edge in experience

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C+B

 

I think the main reason Williams never fulfilled his potential was a
357magnum bullet to the stomach when he was the 4th ranked contender,This took him out of boxing for a year and a half and he never regained contender status again,he remains a ,"what might have been," imo His management took a gamble putting him in with the 9th ranked Satterfield, at short notice, a gamble that rebounded spectacularly against them.
Given the well documented circumstances of this debacle , I cut Williams some slack for that one.

 

The scores for the Williams v Simmons fight were.
31-62,39-61,42-58 You cannot get any more one sided than that! Marciano had some rough moments with Simmons and was in danger of losing because of a badly cut eye.
In his book Rocky Marciano: The Rock of His Times, Russell Sullivan wrote: "Marciano was in trouble early before winning—and not before drawing some boos from the Providence crowd for hurling a few low blows."
Bottom line, I corrected a poster on a statement he made.

 

But Marciano was able to stop Simmons who was at the time in his prime, after Marciano fight Simmons was not able to win any fight until after Williams fight.

Williams won by UD but look at picture of Simmons vs Marciano and you would realize why Simmons called Marciano the hardest puncher in the game.

 

Simmons face versus Marciano

https://imgur.com/a/bQHivHg

& Valdes failed to stop Simmons too.

 

Very true. Plus, Marciano and Williams had two other common opponents - Art Henri and Jimmy Walls - and Williams beat them both faster than Marciano could, despite being only 19/20 years old at the time. It's at times like this it would help to have the necessary levels of dishonesty and self-delusion to claim that proves Williams was the better fighter.

 

Williams was such a devastating HW puncher he couldn't stop Frankie Daniels in TWO fights , despite having 20lbs on him.. Daniels was little more than a MW for much of his earlier career.. Satterfield, Marshall, Finley etc had all KOd him at LHW..

 

Actually he didn't he said,"everywhere he hit you he hurt you," not quite the same thing.

 

So did Lastarza x2 and Brion x2.

 

Respective results are only one piece of a mutifaceted puzzle

Satterfield failed to ko him in their second fight when Daniels had added poundage.
So did Archie Moore.

Sattterfield only won a majority decision in their second fight
Williams took a U Dec off Daniels 10 months later.
None of this means anything except that Daniels was a heavyweight when he fought Williams.and was for the last 39 fights and last 8 years of his career. Marshall stopped a 170lbs Daniels,he also stopped Ezzard Charles .But let's not bring dates and context into the debate,lets just parrot figures and disregard all that.

 

And so did Williams failed while Marciano didn't.

 

Walls had literally just been knocked out a month prior to the Williams bout... hed been belted all over the ring countless times by that point.. going into that fight he had 28 losses, 14 by stoppage.. in light of that am i still meant to be impressed that a 25lb heavier than Marciano Williams got it done 2 rounds quicker?

Same with Henri.. going in to the Williams bout he had 23 losses, 7 by stoppage.. yet despite all that & being bigger than both Henri & Marciano he got it done just one round quicker than Rocky.. Amazing work..

He was supposed to blitz them.. they were put in there to take out.. difference is Marciano did all 3..

Call me when Marciano gets chinned by Bob Satterfield, UDs Keene Simmons, gets put on his arse twice by men like Sylvester Jones & goes 20 rounds with chinny LHW Frankie Daniels despite having 20lbs on him.

What's so great about Williams seriously... Lost to Liston twice, Foster twice, Ali, Satterfield , Cleroux.. went 1-1 with Terrell, 1-1 with Jones.. couldn't beat Machen.. he beat what? ONE top 10 opponent & dozens of average fighters in a near 100 fight career .. & he's in the same league as Marciano?!

 

That wasnt the issue, a poster claimed Marciano kod him and he didn't.

 

In which post was the underlined ever claimed?