Anthony Joshua doesn't deserve to be in the Hall of Fame.

Neither does Fury for beating an old man and a hype job, while avoiding challenges and living a cap life

 

Neither does Wilder, right? So the only HOF heavyweight from this era would be Usyk.

 

to be fair Joshua and Fury may make the cut, Usyk definitely does
wilder? LOL, do I need to answer?

None of these fighters live up to wlad in greatness (at hw in usyk case though he has done amazing for such few fights). Yes I actually do rate Wlad very highly in all honesty and he only lost to fury and AJ because of age and still should have beaten AJ when he had him hurt

 

The only fighter from Cruiserweight/Heavyweight that deserves to be in the Hall of Fame is Usyk none of the other fighters in those weightclasses are anything other than "good".

 

Massively popular HW cash-cow who unified the titles at HW and was two-time champ with a respectable number of wins over ranked contenders and an Olympic gold medal should be more than enough to get into the Hall. If Vinny Pazienza could get in, then AJ more than deserves entry (irrespective of the shockingly low standard now set by Paz's entry, AJ should still get in because he is an immensely famous boxer and has the credentials to get in).

 

Why did you have to say that... Our back-and-forths regarding Wlad will never be the same... LOL, just kidding. Nice to know tho, I agree. It will be a long time until someone surpasses The Steelhammer.

 

Because it is the truth, he was a fantastic Heavyweight
Don't worry I still don't rate him as good as his brother h2h LOL

We will still argue about that lol

 

Exactly.

But Wilder probably still will, despite being thoroughly undeserving (as opposed to Joshua and Fury who are much closer).

Agreed.

Would only add that if he'd been 100%, I think he'd have still beaten Fury at that point as well.

 

Probably would have beaten Fury (hence Fury not wanting rematch) and he definitely let AJ off the hook by going back to his cautious way. His caution and patience where great strengths as champ, but it is what done him in during that fight. for my money, AJ has never been mentally the same since

 

It’s a hall of FAME. Was he famous during his time as a boxer? If yes, then it’s a no brainier right?

 

Maybe... Or maybe Joshua was always naturally torn between fight and flight when hurt and under pressure - he dug in against Wlad and Pov, but bailed against Ruiz - or maybe it's the actual losses that changed him? Who knows.

It counts against him ATG/H2H of course - especially against more heavy handed opponents...
Fury not having the kind of power to put him in that position is one of the reasons I always favoured AJ to beat him (among a few other reasons!) - it's possible Fury would've got him on points as Usyk did, but it's also possible that Joshua would've got the win on points or by stoppage, I don't think Fury would've kept him honest enough to put him in that twilight zone where he's so much more easily beaten.


Completely agree about Fury dodging the rematch putting an asterisk next to the win - aside from being a horrible fight to watch, and suspicions about Wlads ability to perform properly in it, it just isn't the kind of win that stands on it's own without a rematch when you're that big an underdog going into it... Joshua's win you could arguably say the same, except for Joshua seeming to have been completely willing to rematch it.

 

Butterbean was famous... He's not HOF.

It's usually a combination of fame and paper achievement/credentials - even if the actual career is underwhelming in terms of quality on a resume.

 

If I had my way the Hall of Fame would be very much smaller than it is and only the very cream of the crop would ever get anywhere near it. However I don't get to have my way and on the basis of who has been admitted already he definitely should get his place.

 

Very much this.

In a skimmed milk era there isn't much cream at all... And in this one, the cat got all the cream.

But guys have got in in the past who weren't quite the cream of their own thin eras, so what's the difference?

Less deserving guys are in there and less deserving guys will follow...
If Wilder gets in, and he might well do on account of being a rare US champion with a large number of defences (however worthless most of those are) it might be a long time before he gets eclipsed as the most farcical inductee.