Is Ali the HW GOAT?

Seems I need to do a re-watch, see if my memory of the fight from the last time I watched it (probably a couple years ago) is off.

 

That's how I saw it more or less aswell.

 

...Leon spinks?..

 

X3

 

I think Ali won the series 2-1. I scored 3 with a friend and I had it 8-7 while he had it 8-7 Norton. Not a blatant robbery like people make out

 

I had it 8-7 Norton.

 

I had 3rd fight 8-7 for Norton but yeah it's definitely close enough to be debatable certainly not the robbery it's portrayed to be.

 

It has literally been decades since I last watched but I remember thinking that I had seen worse decisions. That was back in the days of VCRs so it was harder to do a good punch count, what with the stopping and rewinding and all that.

 

I think you're wrong on that, Jack.

On his best day, Lewis beats all of those lads.

 

I don't think so.

Most of his big wins have an asterisk.

 

But Usyks dont lol. Lets stick to heavyweight here.... are you challenging me to take apart his best wins ? Both have wins that will reveal crinkles under a lense, but Holyfields opposition generally ranks higher.

 

Holy's entire HW career was probably fueled by PEDs, so there's that.

His best win is Tyson 1.

Usyk's win over Fury was, IMO, a better win.

I have not yet placed Usyk in my all-time list as he is still a work in progress,

 

Not after the Ngannou fight, and how many ranked fighters did Fury beat in the last 9 years ? Yeah no.

Tyson over Fury no pun intended. Better resume and better achievements, Usyk has no losses but hasn't beat half the number of top guys Holyfield has

 

Ali is definitely the heavyweight greatest,imo - ability,toughness,H2H hypotheticals,longevity all figure.

 

Holy was PED-fuelled, his best names (Foreman and Holmes) were granddaddies when he fought them, and he had a heap of losses in his prime.

Usyk, not so much.


But You're entitled to your opinion.