Is it inevitable that Usyk will be considered the H2H GOAT in boxing history

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  1. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    We've never seen anything like Usyk. Ali was great and would be difficult for any boxer in history due to his impressive footwork, iq, and athleticism, but i don't think he beats Usyk anymore, it's far too debatable for me to be confident. Byrd doesn't compare either, he'd get stopped by Oleksandr the great as much as I hate to say it.

    Usyk beats Ali, Lewis, Holmes, Louis, Liston, Tyson, Holyfield, Marciano, Foreman, Frazier, Bowe, Norton, the Klitschko brothers. This is controversial, but in 10 years Usyk might be seen as the h2h goat. I don't agree, but we have to be objective, only a very small handful of heavyweights in history (3 or 4) could realistically beat Usyk and the Usyk fans do make a good case. We have to prepare for Usyk to be crowned the heavyweight goat, it's happening and it can't be stopped. He's fought every style and beat heavyweights of all sizes. He's one of the most skilled 200+ pounder we've ever seen if not the most skilled, iron chinned, never dropped, southpaw, Lomachenko level footwork.
     
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  2. Mandela2039

    Mandela2039 Philippians 2:10-11 Full Member

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    I like how you immediately shifted to Byrd after bashing on Ali like Byrd is some kind of ATG
     
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  3. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Byrd could beat everyone in the 70s, its not guaranteed, but boxing has evolved.
     
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  4. Mandela2039

    Mandela2039 Philippians 2:10-11 Full Member

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    Chris Byrd is not beating Smoking Joe Frazier :dijono:
     
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  5. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    That would be a weird fight to watch.
     
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  6. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    David Tua is better than Frazier, bigger, stronger, more durable, hits harder with the left hook, and Byrd played with him. Frazier has no chance. Norton can't handle that southpaw slickness. Byrd is better than young in every way too, he'd school Foreman and stop him after he gasses.

    Only Ali could beat Byrd but it's 50/50 really, Ali has never seen anything like that. Nobody else in the 70s can deal with the high tech future heavyweight southpaw that is Christopher Cornelius Byrd. And if they're struggling with Byrd imagine how nightmarish Usyk would be if we dropped him in the 70s.
     
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  7. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Jesus, I'm an Usyk fanatic and even I find this odd.

    Usyk has his place in the pantheon, and would undoubtedly beat most past greats, but they had countervailing great attributes, and fights with guys like Ali, Frazier, Tyson and Lewis would be great, competitive fights. I just don't think it is right to award Usyk heavyweight GOAT-ness when he's only had five championship fights at the weight so far. He has a great, uber elite, hybrid cruiser-heavyeight legacy. And that's good enough for me.
     
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    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    wow.... just....... wow.
     
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    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    He's also slower, less agressive with a lower output, much worse head movement and defense in general and can be discouraged.

    Byrd isn't having an easy time with Frazier.
     
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  11. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 Out For Milk Full Member

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    He’s around the size of George Foreman and moves like a middleweight… not an easy man to beat.
     
    Journeyman92, Jun 24, 2025 at 10:39 PM
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  12. thistle

    thistle Boxing Addict Full Member

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    and here lies the 'problem' with Achievement based assessment,

    ABC Titles and title wins & defences in them, with few fights comparatively, including ones opponents too...

    Usyk as far as I can see is a 'normal' good fighter, nothing special, but then again it is the same cry & lament of the last 30 years, especially among the rediculous Super - Heavyweight Division.

    far Greater fighters in the History of the Sport, Dozens of them.
     
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  13. Fergy

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    I don't see him beating the likes of Lewis, Holmes,Ali.
    Those guy's proved themselves for years and year's, beating all shapes and sizes.
    Usyk has dominated the past few year's but I'm not calling him the GOAT just yet.
     
    Fergy, Jun 24, 2025 at 11:09 PM
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  14. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 Out For Milk Full Member

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    Usyk has a H2H incredibly impressive resume, I actually love the guy, I don’t like his style I think it’s “eh” and a bit limited but he is very successful with it and would beat a lot of the HW’s of the past.
     
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  15. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He's the most skilled heavyweight I've ever seen apart from peak roided Holyfield
     
    MarkusFlorez99, Jun 24, 2025 at 11:52 PM
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