Rate the quality of Sonny Liston's resume

That Lhvy Journeyman was the 7 th ranked LHvy in the world and you have been told this several times.
Miteff beat
Valdes
Carter
Johnson
Holman
Mederos
Besmanoff
Bethea
Drew with Chuvalo
And was ranked no8 in1960
Daniels beat
Jones
DeJohn
Alongi
And was ranked no8 in1962
It's distasteful to see them referred to as Bums by some one who would literally **** himself if he found himself in the ring with any of those names.

Can we dispense with your Anti Liston agenda,and by extension Williams one ,for one thread?

 

7th ranked LHW, but LHW as you stated, not a heavyweight and that is even worse, you just prove yourself wrong.
He can not even be a good LHW, he was just a contender for LHW title, and in HW, even worse, just a journeyman, as I stated.

So Miteff's best wins were a draw with Chuvalo, a split decision against ancient Valdes and Besmanoff, whom even 50-year-old Archie More beat?

Daniels' best win is DeJohn, who was beaten by ancient Bivins and by Chuvalo, who never knocked anyone or beat anyone good.

And just look at Daniel's record, he was not a journeyman level for God's sake.

As I stated, Williams beat nobody, and the only hype about him is because he fought your hero, Liston. if he were a Marciano opponent, everyone would try to downgrade him.

And I know that every time I say something to hurt your feelings and hurt the record of your hero, the mob on this forum rushes and attacks me.

 

Cleveland Williams was a guy who looked scary in the ring. With his villainous facial features and well-defined muscles, he looked like a world-beater. Every time he swung and missed, spectators would oooh and aaah. But the book on him was he would get discouraged when he met stiff resistance. Physically he was strong but not mentally.

 

You don't hurt my feelings I consider you one of the most stupid posters on this forum.

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I don't have heroes.

 

Yes, I do; this sentence from you is already proving it.

You have to admit, I think that Liston fans exceeded Tyson fans in terms of hyping someone and finding excuses for everything he did.

 

I watched his fight with Chuvalo, very good fight, but I think that Chuvalo was a stronger man even than Williams, not a harder puncher, but a stronger man in general.

Chuvalo lacked power punching and skills; he almost finished Williams early.

 

Williams was 38years old.
Chuvalo had 64 stoppages in 73 wins for an 87.67% ko percentage.

 

Chuvalo stopped
Besmanoff
Jones
Ramos
King
Quarry

 

Both were past their best, their primes were early to mid 60s, like 64 or 65.

Chuvalo was a good puncher but not a very hard one. Frazier punched harder than him, and so did Williams, Lyle, Foster...but he could rock good.

 

The only good win is Quarry, and that was mostly a fluke or something.
He beat good Durrelle and Doug Jones, but those guys were LHWs and just journeymen.

As I stated for Besmanoff, he was beaten to a pulp by the old 50-year-old Archie Moore.

 

“Did I ever claim I wrote those things?”

You didn’t need to. You posted them without a hint of attribution—no quotation marks, no source, nothing. You clearly wanted people to think they were your words. That’s plagiarism, plain and simple.


Trying to weasel out of it after getting caught by saying “I never claimed I wrote it” is pathetic. That’s like a book author plagiarizing someone else’s entire chapter, then standing in court saying, “Well, I never said I wrote it.” No one’s buying that garbage.


Don’t compare it to quoting with credit either. I source what I share—you steal other people’s work and only admit it under pressure. That’s the difference between honesty and fraud.

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I would like any of you to provide a quote or post that I claimed mine again. If you cannot, then please offer something better than that, as I see a lack of arguments.”

Let me spell it out for you: when a post suddenly sounds coherent, insightful, or remotely well-written, everyone already knows it didn’t come from you. You don’t need to put your name on it—your usual lack of clarity does that for you.


You told me to find where you copy-pasted anything—I did. Then, like clockwork, you moved the goalposts and started whining about how you “never claimed” it was yours. That’s the kind of slippery nonsense people pull when they’ve got nothing else.


You’re not clever. You’re not misunderstood. You’re just a fraud who banks on no one calling you out. Well, here it is: you got caught. Own it, or crawl back under whatever rock you lifted those posts from.

 

Thanks for the support, JT—but I’m done wasting time on this clown. He’ll just keep shifting the goalposts or spouting more barely intelligible nonsense.


Five years of arguing with BoxingFan2002, BoxingIsMyDream, Crouch Stance Boxing, SerbianLoudmouth, Nele Ivkovic—whatever name he’s hiding behind this week—would drive anyone to the brink of insanity.
Time to put this clown on ignore.

 

Williams. Machen and what was left of Patterson are the most impressive to me. Id give it a 6 out of 10 amongst heavyweight champions

 

Good idea lest he NELEy drive you mad!!!!!!!!

 

Doug Jones was a very good fighter, not a mere journeyman. He was a small heavyweight with quick hands, good counterpuncher, New York Golden Gloves champ, as a pro ranked 3rd in the heavyweight division in 1963, nearly defeated young Cassius Clay in a sold-out Garden, Ring Mag declared it Fight of the Year. Beat prime Zora Folley, kayoed up-and-coming Bob Foster. This was no journeyman.

I'm sorry BoxingFan2002, I couldn't let that one comment stand unchallenged.