Rate the quality of Sonny Liston's resume

After all, all those fellas were natural LHWs, and not good ones except Foster.

Jones and Martin were okay LHWs and not good HWs, they didn't beat anyone good.


McVey compared their case with top 10 boxers of all time, which is crazy and insane, there is a big difference between Spinks/Charles/Tunney and Martin/Jones/Banks.

The first trio was not only GOAT LHWs but good heavies unlike those guys McVey mentioned, that were not even great LHWs let alone good HWs.

Comparing Foster and Spinks with Martin and Jones is again insane.

 

A no one, he was good in the weakest era of all times, late 50s were nothing until Liston and Ali showed up.

 

No man who steps in between those ropes is a bum.

 

Nope, I said whatever weight you started at is immaterial to what you ended up as.
You missed my point entirely.
Jones and Martin were two ten rated heavyweights.I saw Martin beat Thad Spencer at the RAH ,it was the UK Fight Of The Year.
Martin was over 190lbs for the last18 fights of his cut short career.
Was Dempsey a heavyweight?
Tunney
Schmeling
Braddock
Walcott
Marciano
???????
You are talking out of your arse.

 

Distasteful to read that,especially from somebody who would mess his shorts if he was in there with Sonny.

 

In which era and wasnt Martin outboxed by freaking Bonavena, the same freaking Bonavena who ancient Patterson outboxed?

He was not a HW, he started as MW and was a natural LHW, that is like saying that James Toney is a real heavyweight, which is insane.

You are again comparing the top 10 boxers of all time with some journeymen and contenders in a weak era where there were not good 200-pound HWs or even great LHWs except Foster.

It was nothing until Foreman, Ali, and Frazier arrived with Norton and Jimmy Young.

Did Martin achieve 3rd of what Dempsey or Marciano did, so you can talk about his weight?

And Marciano also fought as a hw in amateurs.

 

What does Bonavena beating Martin have to do with anything?
After beating Liston for his biggest win Martin had to retire because of a detached retina. It's official . You're a fool!

 

Liston always causes some sort of extensive debate for some reason

 

Because Bonavena was not a good boxer and he outboxed Martin, he was not the best contender compared to Norton, Quarry and Patterson.
And that same Bonavena was outboxed by ancient Patterson, just to show you that Martin was nothing but just a contender in a weak era, you can not compare him to the greats who achieved something epic.

Lie again, Martin had an eye problem and had been in a few fights before Liston; it was the problem waiting to happen.

 

Seems like he and Foreman in particular bring out the trolls.

 

For the ones who did also did a good job of "cleaing out" before winning the title... Louis had beaten Baer, Carnera, Sharkey among others, but he had also lost to Schmeling. SRR sure cleaned out at WW, hard to top. Tyson also. Whether you think he became champion when collecting the last major belt against Tucker or when taking the lineal from Spink he had mowed through a good share of the contenders. Ali had a very strong run before winning the title against Foreman. He had two losses also, but avenged both. SRL before beating Hearns is another one. One loss but avenged. Frazier before beating Ali, of course.

Of these I'd probably have SRR and Tyson (at least if we count his run up to Spinks) ahead of Liston. Frazier pretty much tied. The others hard to say since they also had losses.

Others cases of cleaning out?

 

Greb had gotten the better of decent MWs a few times before taking the title.

 

Read this you plank!
"Martin was forced to retire shortly afterwards, as he suffered a detached retina in this bout. Martin took a mandatory 8-count in the fourth round. Liston was flattened with a vicious right."
Bonavena did not out box Martin, he outslugged him and you haven't seen the fight!

 

And I posted recently one article where it was claimed by Martin's menager that Liston isn't the one who retired him and that Martin had eye problem and bleeding few fights before that.
It was Liston who finished the job, if Martin foight Frazier, cthe same would happened because his eye was already damaged.

He did outboxed him and outslugged him, if you look scorecards that's nut just slugging out.

If you win against someome by having more points and you hit and dodge punches better than him, you outboxed him.

 

1.Name a fight in which Martin had an eye injury?
2. Post the scorecards of the Bonavena v Martin fight?
You will do neither.
You talk ****.