I really wouldn't fit in over there. Whilst some of my favourite posters post or used to post on the Classic, I also have a very low opinion of your typical Classic types
This is a reasonable and fair post. It is also true that Loma moved up to fight guys that were bigger than he, while Bud has been bigger than the guys he is fighting at the higher weight divisions. Can't criticize Loma for the Rigo win, while glorifying Bud for the Gamboa win, in my opinion....
Are those scores to a fight that you actually saw and agree with? Did you agree that Loma got schooled in that fight because of what you actually witnessed? If you're only going by what the judges scored, is it safe to assume that you agree with the Canelo-GGG 1 judges' scorecards as well??
You never, ever get to complain about Canelo getting the W over GGG again. Ever. Nor Kovalev losing to The Son Of God, Andre Ward everybody's favorite fighter from Oakland.
Explain your logic. A fighter proves they are greater in the ring, nowhere else. Inoue proved he is greater by having the greater career. That's my opinion anyway. Interested in your explanation.
I don't think the Gamboa and Rigondeaux wins are really that comparable really. Rigondeaux was a natural bantamweight who was able to weigh in at 118 for his entire career even when in his 40s, and seems to make the weight without much trouble. For practically his entire amateur career, he weighed in at 119lbs with ease, and these were same-day weigh-ins, and where in international competitions where he would have had to make weight a couple times in the same week. If anything, Rigondeaux was a small bantamweight and probably could have cut down even further, but chose to fight at super-bantam because he realised he would get better opportunities at that weight. Lomachenko, by contrast, was a healthily sized super-featherweight and had spent the latter part of his amateur career floating between lightweight and super-lightweight, which is 132 to 140lbs. Rigondeaux never fought at 130 prior or post the Lomachenko fight, nor even 126. The size disparity between the two is akin to how big a difference there would be if Oscar Valdez fought Ryosuke Nishida. Gamboa of course didn't really belong at 135. He had ate his way through divisions and loaded his frame with more muscle than it should have carried for someone that small and who predominantly relies on his blistering speed to win fights. But he did at least win a a fight at 135 prior to fighting Crawford (against Darleys Perez mind you, but still) and went on to fight at the weight afterward and even beat Miguel Beltran at 135, who was a decent enough contender. Crawford weighed in at 152 to Gamboa's 145, whereas Loma weighed 137 to Rigo's 130. Gamboa was able to rehydrate 10lbs after the weigh-in, yet Rigondeaux didn't rehydrate at all and weighed in fully clothed.
The weight difference between Loma and Rigo wasn't much more than what it was between Crawford and Gamboa with Crawford having a enormous 9'' reach advantage over Gamboa and Rigo having a 2'' reach advantage over Loma. But the natural size difference between Crawford who was a gigantic weight bully and Gamboa was a lot more. Crawford was extremely lean at that weight with zero fat on him even though he was rehydrating as much as 18lbs at his highest and he was still super lean even when he moved up to his 4th weight class 154 weighing just 0.2 ounces less than career 160 GGG's usual fight night weight. He's walking around now at a very solid 186, not fat or remotely bloated in the face, and he looks bigger or at worst roughly the same size as his next opponent Clenelo who is obviously the undisputed champ at 168. 186lbs is 51lbs more than his first weight and, as said, he looks solid and in good shape at that weight He has never looked undersized in any weight class he's fought in, whereas, Loma looks tiny for 135 and, in complete contrast to Crawford who was very often the much or bigger man or at worst roughly the same as his opponents, was often giving away weight down at 126 and 130, let alone up at 135 Crawford weighed more in his first fight in his 4th division at 154 than his career opponent at that weight did and he had a huge reach advantage too Loma's opponents in his 3rd division were much or way bigger than him and the size disparity was immediately very noticeable. Granted, Loma turned pro at almost 26 y/o and Crawford was like 20 when he turned pro and if Loma turned pro at the same age he would've done so at a lower weight than 126 So let's say Loma turned pro at 118 or 115 at 20 y/o 135 would've been his 5th or 6th weight class But he still looked tiny for it Crawford has never looked undersized, let alone small or tiny for any weight class he's fought at and he was rehydrating as much as 18lbs at 135, as much as 17lbs at 140, roughly that much at 147 because he looked very noticeably bigger at 147 than he did at 140 and we know he rehydrated ever so slightly under 16lbs at 154. Loma wasn't even rehydrating near that much in his 1st weight class. The max he rehydrated was 12.5lbs At 126 Loma 129 - Ramirez 135 Loma 136 - Salido 147 Loma 138½ - Russell 138 Loma 134 - Koasicha 133 Loma 138 - Rodriguez 132 Loma 132 - Piriyapinyo 137 So he was the smaller man in half of his fights at his FIRST weight class in which he was outweighed by 11lbs, 6lbs and 5lbs in them and in two of the three fights he was the bigger man he outweighed his opponents by a whopping total of 0.5lbs and 1lb In only one of six fights at the weight did he have more than a 1lb advantage And at 130 Loma 137 - Walters 136 Loma 139 - Sosa 142 Loma 137 - Martinez 144 Loma 137 - Rigo 130 in his tracksuit Loma vs Marriaga - Marriaga weighed 135lbs down at 126 against Walters so again there was a minimal weight advantage for Loma if one at all So Loma has two fights at 126 and 130 where he had a significant weight advantage, one of which a big one And in those 11 fights he was the smaller man x 5, and he had a weight advantage of more than 1lb twice and possibly 3 times and even if he didn't it would've been a couple of pounds max That's not even touching on 135 which he was tiny for and the size disparity between him and his opponents ranged from big, huge, to obscene In 21 of Loma;s fights he's been the smaller man at least 14 times, been the much or way smaller man at least 13 times, only had a weight advantage of 5lbs or more twice, only had a big one x 1, and in the 5 or possible 7 fights he was the ''bigger'' man he only had a weight advantage of more than 1lbs twice, possibly three times and even then it only would've been by a couple of pounds Now let's move on to reach Loma 65.5'' reach Walters 73'' Haney 71'' Campbell 71'' Commey 71'' Nakatani 71'' Pedraza 70.5'' Linares 69'' Ortiz 69'' Rodriguez 69'' Lopez 68.5'' Rigo 68'' Kambosos 68'' Sosa 67'' Crolla 67'' Marriaga 67'' Martinez 67'' Koasicha Piriyapinyo Salido 67'' Ramirez 65.5'' Russell Jr. 64'' He's had a reach advantage x 1 in all his fights where info for his opponent's reaches are available and that's like almost all of them Now let's compare that to Crawford Crawford 149 - Klimov 140 Crawford 152 - Gamboa 145 Crawford 153 - Beltran 147 Crawford 155 - Lundy 151 Crawford 155 - Jean 155 Crawford 157 - Postol 152 Crawford 157 - Diaz 161 Crawford 169.8 - Madrimov 168.6 He's been outweighed x 1 in all the fights of his were the ring weights have been listed which I have been able to find Now reach Terence Crawford 74'' reach Postol 73.5'' Benavidez 73'' Dulomre 73'' Jean 72'' Spence 72'' Indongo 71.5'' Egis 71'' Khan 71'' Molina 71'' Burns 70'' Klimov 69.5'' Porter 69.5'' Brook 69'' Avanesyan 68.5'' Madrimov 69.5'' Horn 68'' Lundy 68'' Diaz 67'' Beltran 67'' There are a handful of his pre-title fights where his opponent's reaches are listed and all bar one of them were much shorter or shorter. I found one who had the same reach as him. So, again, the complete opposite with Loma and his opponents I don't care if Gamboa had fought at 135 once before and Rigo was coming up 2 weights because Loma at 130 was roughly the same size as he was at his biggest at 126 and when you have massive weight bullies in the sport who are rehydrating as much as 18lbs and are still super lean and very thin in the face even after piling all that weight back on it makes a complete mockery of having weight divisions in the first place. Featherweight was scrapped in the amateurs long ago and the fact that 135 Loma was barely any bigger than Inoue was when Inoue was down at 118 should tell you how tiny he was for 135 This content is protected When that photo was taken 135 << Loma here 130 126 122 118 << Inoue here Crawford looks about the same size as Clenelo FFS and he has been huge, very big, or big for every weight class he's fought at. Never small or tiny. Not once. Look at him here over 5 years ago. He said he weighed in the ''160s-170s'' so let's call it 170 Look at how lean he looks. He has less fat on his body than an anorexic greyhound This content is protected