Man, Usyk's cruiserweight division was good!

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  1. Kiwi Fish

    Kiwi Fish Member Full Member

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    Wow have 19 have men already competed for the bridgerweight world title? That seems like a lot considering how long its been around.

    Anyway definitely the strongest cruiserweight has ever been, the super six really helped cement the era as well. Not to mention Usyk moving up and beating the top heavies really puts that cruiserweight generation into perspective.

    Better than Holyfield's era no doubt, its why I don't understand when people say that Holyfield had a better cruiser record than Usyk, I think they can't help but let his heavyweight career creep into their perceptions.
     
  2. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Huck was at the end of his career and was 2-2 in his last 4 fights.

    Glowacki good win but he also got blown away by Breidis, Okolie.

    Gassiev was a big puncher but was overhyped.

    Bellew was an overachiever beating a Haye who was ravaged by injuries.

    I don't think the names above are anything special i never got hype with Gassiev personally although it's a good win on paper.

    Briedis, Hunter, are very good wins though and the Hunter win aged well considering he had success at Heavyweight.

    It's a good set of wins overall but the division has only been around since the 1980s and isn't historically a great division.
     
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  3. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I just rewatched it to refresh my memory and I'd forgot how bad the referee was.....

    That elbow was blatant and Briedis was lucky not to get DQed.

    Not to mention Briedis knocked Glowacki down 10 seconds after the round had ended.

    Yeah not what I'd call a great win either.
     
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  4. Serge

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    Glowacki cracked Briedis with a really dirty cheap shot to the back of the mind. Briedis shouldn't have reacted the way he did with the elbow but let's not pretend like Glowacki didn't instigate it with that dirty shot to the back of the mind before flopping to the canvas to milk it like Mr Innocent after Breidis retaliated.
     
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  5. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Sure, everyone gets people at the end of their career. Glowacki was about 10 best on the list, and Huck maybe 11, as we have have already discussed.

    Gassiev was not overhyped. I meticulously teased out their records. He was a beast at cruiser, and got some injuries. It happens.

    Brieidis has also aged very well as a three-time champion.
     
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  6. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Glowacki should have been DQ'd for that massive rabbit punch.
     
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    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Retaliation for a very nasty rabbit punch.
     
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  8. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Briedis also knocked him down 10 seconds after the round had ended.

    The referee did a very poor job the fight was a farce hence I think calling it a great win is a huge stretch.
     
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  9. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    No I agree he did a poor job, because Glowacki should have been DQ'd for holding and hitting with the rabbit punch. The fighting after the bell was entirely mutual. Brieidis, to me, fought fire with fire.

    This says it all. Lower the commentary and watch as Glowacki instigates everything when he hooks him and hits him behind the head.

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  10. Dynamicpuncher

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    I think Gassiev was overhyped he was a big puncher but was exposed by Usyk for being limited he didn't win a single second in that fight.

    And it's not like Gassiev was being overly dominant in his previous fights either.

    Dorticos was ahead on points after 9 rounds and Gassiev needed a late rally to rescue that fight.

    Ledebev run him pretty close aswell.

    I'm not saying Gassiev was a bad fighter and it's still a good win for Usyk. But I do feel Gassiev wasn't as good as some people were hyping him up to be and they got a realisation after the Usyk fight.

    I think Briedis would've beaten Gassiev handily.
     
  11. Serge

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    Hardly fair to ignore that Gassiev had been extremely inactive after facing Usyk due to being ravaged with injuries, in particular a serious shoulder injury which he reinjured, underwent multiple surgeries on his shoulder, hand and nose, was sued my his promoters.

    He had 4 fights in 5 years going into the Wallin fight, 3 of which lasted about 5 minutes max combined and the other one 4 rounds so barely any ring time at all in 5 years

    And I almost forgot. He hadn't fought anyone with a pulse in those 4 fights in 5 years and for some dumb reason he decided to come in 15-20lbs lighter vs Wallin than he had been fighting at since moving up to HW and in his subsequent fight at HW since the Wallin fight.

    But that version of Gassiev was the prime version, right? The prime version who became the unified champion at CW, was one of the most devastating and feared punchers in the sport , who was arguably the best left hooker and best body puncher in the game, and of whom it was hardly the best kept secret had KO'd numerous top HWs in the gym.

    Ben Davison said many HWs have told him that Gassiev was the hardest puncher they shared a ring with and Sam Jones described Gassiev as the hardest puncher he'd ever seen after seeing him up close and personal sparring in the gym and video footage of him knocking out top HWs

    Who beat Lebedev and KO'd the teak-tough Dorticos and Wlod who have been stopped a grand total of twice in 101 combined fights and that was by Gassiev :facepalm:

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    A left hook from hell

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    And I didn't think Gassiev vs Dorticos was close at all. I had Gassiev comfortably ahead and I think most had it that way too. He actually outboxed Dorticos and showed some new wrinkles to his game in that one and that his boxing skills were underrated
     
  12. UnleashtheFURY

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    Yeah CW was great before Usyk even. Was an underrated division in boxing for a long time. Now it's pure trash.
     
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  13. catchwtboxing

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    Fair enough.

    He's broken both arms, and that has had a lot do with what came after the Usyk fight. But I get it. He's a guy that had 25 amateur fights. He has a great arsenal when he can throw with impunity, but not exactly an overall technician.

    Again, though, he have to remember that we are talking about depth, here. Yes, Briedis was #2. Gassiev maybe number 3.
     
  14. HistoryZero26

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    I counted some other fights for various reasons mainly the WBC Silver. My list is actually 20. If I take McHunu off it will be 19 again. Thus far Rivas, Tischenko and Okolie either retired or left the division after 1 fight.
     
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  15. theanatolian

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    I'm gonna go on a limb and say you weren't around at the time of first WSSB. There weren't any British or American fighters so the division wasn't being marketed to the casuals, you had to be there to understand it.

    Glowacki, when Usyk snached his belt in his hometown, was coming off of 2 very good wins, one of which was him ending one of the longest title reigns in the division's history in FOTY over Huck. And that Huck was more or less the same guy that came very, very close to upsetting Povetkin at HW.

    For Gassiev, you really had to be there to see what a monster he was at cruiser. He also ended the long reign of Lebedev who was a very skilled operator, destroyed Diablo who was faded but was still very capable. And then there was his fight against Dorticos. You can see Yunier still going strong pushing 40. He was at his best during first WSSB and Gassiev absolutely smashed him to bits. It was so brutal that It's hard to watch it again, even though It was a very good fight. That performance, the wrecking of Dorticos, was by all accounts a tremendous win and a great performance. It's right up there with Beterbiev's destruction of Gvozdyk.

    It's extremely unfair to dismiss Gassiev as "overhyped" based on his struggles at HW. Yeah, he hasn't had the success that Usyk and Holyfield had at heavyweight, but who has? The night Usyk schooled and dominated Gassiev and snached his belts in his hometown to become undisputed was when he solidified himself as an ATG, long before he moved to HW.
     
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