In order for Bud to exceed Floyd Mayweather he has to completely dominate and stop Canelo

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  1. bandeedo

    bandeedo Loyal Member Full Member

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    what excuses? if you think that canelo is the same one that sat at top of p4p list, then what am i supposed to do? teach you about boxing? Naah, feel free to believe canelo was even better back then than he is now if you want.
    if you want excuses, just listen to floyds fans explain why floyd always fought everyone except the ones at the top during the time.
     
  2. Eternal

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    Those words really do not address anything that I said.
     
  3. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You're using the excuses for the weight and Canelo being green.

    I already told you there was only 1 pound difference between Canelo fighting Trout and Mayweather so that isn't a valid point.

    Canelo had over 40 professional fights and 7 world title fights so trying to say Canelo was some green inexperienced fighter don't really wash either.

    Was Mayweather the same fighter being 36 years old with bad hands fighting above his best weightclass ?
     
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  4. Serge

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    Floyd was much smaller than Clenelo

    Crawford is not much smaller at all and he has bigger reach advantage over Clenelo than Floyd did

    But Floyd did cripple Clenelo at the negotiating table with a catchweight even though he himself had been very vocal beforehand about how fighting someone at a catchweight was something that he had never done and would never dare stoop to doing because catchweights greatly weaken the opponent to such an extent that beating them at a catchweight is not even a legit win in his eyes

    Crawford is not fighting Clenelo at a catchweight. Granted, he didn't fight Madrimov at one either but then why would he when he actually weighed more than Madrimov whilst being very lean at that weight?

    Is this past prime version of Clenelo who hasn't stopped anyone in four years despite cherrypicking like crazy all throughout that time a better version than the weight drained inexperienced against prime world champions version who Floyd fought at a catchweight?

    Let's not forget the version who fought Floyd had been feasting off shot OAP world champions, ones who were much naturally smaller than him + often shot OAPs, or C level world champions at best and the only time he didn't he arguably lost against Trout

    But that being said, this version of Clenelo whilst much more experienced and much healthier at the weight can't secure a KO or stoppage for love nor money and with a loss in speed and volume and his feet being even more stuck in quicksand than they already were he looks even more vulnerable than he already was to the style which has caused him so many problems throughout his career

    If Floyd deserved a lot more credit for beating bigger men and a much bigger Clenelo then surely by that exact same logic so do other fighters for doing the same?

    And, likewise, if Crawford, who has very often been the much or bigger man, rarely the smaller, and extremely rarely the much or way smaller man if ever at all and I've seen no evidence of it if it has happened, then surely by that same logic he deserves less credit for doing so? :facepalm:

    I want you guys to watch this video, right at the beginning of it, and try using both your eyes and ears in conjunction with each other and listen to how much he says he weighs (and this is over five years old) and observe how ridiculously lean he is. Not an ounce of fat on his body and even if he came in 8lbs heavier than that now there still wouldn't be

    Clenelo in the ring weighs 178-180

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    I think we all can agree that the version of Clenelo who GGG unofficially beat x 2 at MW was by far the best, most healthy, most prime, most powerful, most experienced + prime version of him and far better than the version Floyd fought or Crawford is about to fight :deal:

    And FTR GGG weighed the same as that super lean version of Crawford in that five year old video I posted and the same as the super lean version of Crawford who fought Madrimov
     
  5. AdamT

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    Was Floyd past his best aged 36?
     
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  6. Serge

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    Yeah I'd say so albeit he still looked super fast, sharp, with no noticeable decline in his reflexes, reaction times, accuracy. He was a very well preserved 36
     
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  7. AdamT

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    Agreed, fighting less often as you age helps too
     
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  8. Serge

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    I think the Pretty Boy Floyd version is different to that version but I think that was more due to hand injuries. But I thought he looked excellent vs Clenelo with the speed, reflexes, reaction times, sharpness, athleticism, fluidity, and accuracy of a prime younger fighter. I honestly can't see any signs of ageing

    I just watched a brief bit of footage from that fight to remind myself and literally at the part of the video I started watching at one of the commentators says ''this guy has extraordinary hand and foot speed and you just can't nail Mayweather with a clean shot'' and you can immediately see that too

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  9. AdamT

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    It appears you admire Floyd's skills, as do I usyk

    They can't be denied no matter what fighters we support or dislike. I just wish Floyd wasn't the way he was following his return after Oscar. I much preferred pretty boy when he was putting combinations together
     
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  10. Serge

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    I do enjoy and appreciate his skills even if a lot of boxers have tried to mimic his Money May style with a watered-down even more risk averse version of it which is not enjoyable to watch at all. I always give credit and acknowledge a fighter's skills regardless if I like or dislike the fighter. The Pretty Boy Floyd version was good to watch and not boring

    Usyk I have seen a lot of decline in with regards to the attributes I mentioned. I noticed this a long time ago. He looks a bit soft at 221lbs or so and his speed, fluidity, reflexes, reaction times accuracy and sharpness are very noticeably not the same as they were in the amateurs, WSB and at CW, whereas actually Floyd looks razor sharp, fast and accurate at 147 and super lean. I don't actually think Usyk should've or needed to bulk up and had he moved up to HW in his prime without bulking up he would've been an absolute nightmare for all these giants
     
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  11. bandeedo

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    no, mayweather was not...that still doesnt make that canelo, the same one of 5 years ago.
    if youre saying neither one fought the best version of the other, then we are in agreement. and if we are in agreement, then that fight doesnt really say much, does it? just like may vs pac.