Confidence on Canelo over Crawford.

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  1. chacal

    chacal F*** the new normal Full Member

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    Crawford cant win this fight, Canelo can lose it though. Only a massive ****up by Canelo can make crawford win. Weight divisions exist for a very good reason
     
  2. TNSNO1878

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    Madrimov actually fought a pretty decent fight and lost a clear but close points decision. What rounds was he hurt in? I'm talking about the way Bud hurt Spence. If he'd hurt Madrimov like that, I'd give him a chance of doing it to Canelo. All boxers, no matter how great they are, have a weight ceiling, and usually don't find out until they're in the ring with a guy who is too big for them. That's what I see happening in this one.

    Crawford is incredible; he's one of the best of his era. Just because I don't think he can jump up three weight classes and beat Canelo doesn't mean I'm not giving him credit. Why would I block you? If I am wrong, I'll admit it, it's only an opinion. Boxing is unpredictable, but one of the only comments that stands the test of time is "weight classes exist for a reason," which is why I think Canelo will win. I'm not going to sit around and cry about it if he doesn't, though.
     
  3. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Here's something to consider that I've thought a lot about. If Crawford is to hurt Canelo, it's not going to be by jabbing one would think, it would be Crawford setting a trap in some way, and either countering, surprising Canelo with a punch from a crazy angle or something that he didn't see coming. I get that you wouldn't expect Bud to hurt Canelo, given how sturdy Canelo is, given that Bud is coming up from lower weights. To your point, he didn't hurt Madrimov, while Madrimov would seem to be very durable. Sometimes you run into tough fighters that just don't get hurt. He did hurt Spence though, and many others.

    One thing that Bud does have is explosive punching power. And he's a great finisher. While I think it is very unlikely for Bud to hurt or stop Canelo, it's not like anyone else has really done that to Canelo. Bud does possess certain physical gifts and talent that poses a distinct stylistic challenge to Canelo. While you can certainly say no one's fought Crawford like Canelo, it's also true that I don't think Canelo has fought anyone like Crawford. Even Mayweather, certainly better in some areas than Crawford, but also lacking in some areas.

    Was Mayweather truly a more entertaining or exciting fighter than Crawford? Most people would praise Floyd for his skills but would I think concede that he wasn't as fan friendly as Crawford. He wasn't as explosive as a puncher or as awkward. I don't think you can underrate how much Bud's awkwardness could be a factor here. I just think Crawford has the ability to make Canelo uncomfortable in there. The question is can Canelo push back Crawford from trying to win the day? I don't know that. But I think Crawford knows that he isn't just here to dance around the ring and play patty cake like Scull. Bud's style is typically that of a real fighter, anotherwords, a guy that typically comes to fight. Now granted against Madrimov he did play it a little safe, and I'm sure he'll play it safe against Canelo also. But even against Madrimov, Bud didn't run from the man. Bud fought him very effectively, planted his feet, landed shots, and then avoided many of Madrimov's shots by blocking or moving away. Bud is a very smart fighter who i think will give Canelo a lot of problems. If Bud really wants to win a decision, maybe he should just jab Canelo's head off all night with his lengthly reach and stay away, outpoint him. But Bud doesn't typically do that, Bud likes trying to time dudes and land awkward power shots, then follow up and win rounds that way. And I don't think Canelo has ever really fought someone like this, not with the reach and overall skill set of Crawford.
     
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  4. Braindamage

    Braindamage Baby Face Beast Full Member

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    Canelo set the weight. He said he would fight FM at that weight. Another thing to consider. Canelo had 10 fights at 154 prior to fighting Matweather. He only weighed in at 154 once. He weighed in as low as 151 for a fight. So, not really sure how much he was drained. But yeah, FM should have shut up criticizing Pac for putting in weight clauses and what not.
     
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  5. deadACE

    deadACE Well-Known Member Full Member

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    The size difference might be negligible but Canelo has fought at that weight for a long time. Crawford has never carried that weight in a 12 round fight. That's a big advantage for Canelo.

    People picking Crawford because they don't like Canelo. It's not very logical
     
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  6. ChiefGego

    ChiefGego Active Member Full Member

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    He's the one lashing out and pushing Crawford from what i've seen, loudest dog is usually a shaky scared chiuhuahua.. No confidence in grandstanding. Crawford seems collected and watching him like a hawk
     
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  7. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I don't think you can characterize Canelo in this way in the buildup, as a "loud dog". The push was in response to Crawford trying to walk through him. While there has been a certain amount of respect on each side, I would say that Crawford hasn't been backing down. He doesn't seem to be giving Canelo as much respect as Charlo or others have doing. He hasn't disrespected him like Plant or Berlanga did but he's also being very forceful about the confidence he has in his ability. The war of words and the back and forth has been entertaining. Crawford brings a lot to the promotion. He has had an unbelivably successful career remaining undefeated through multiple weight classes. And while some of his performances have been questionable, like the "low blow" stoppage against Khan. For the most part he has fought in an entertaining style and showed that he is a generational talent. I don't know how many generational talents Canelo has fought. And while Crawford is in his late 30s, several years older than Canelo, he still considers himself prime, at an age that many on this forum said you couldn't be prime anymore, particularly as it related to GGG. But the fact is, Crawford is trying to do the impossible here. And we've seen lesser men step up to Canelo and not come to fight, namely Charlo and Scull. Both great fighters in their own right but clearly not with the desire to go out on their shields and risk getting hurt.

    But Crawford throughout his entire career has been rated consistently at or near the top. So this is a boxer that theoretically should have full public support, as a guy who does it the right way, fights in a skillful way but also in an entertaining way. And I just think even in this promotion you can see that he is approaching Canelo differently. But all this talk and gamesmanship only matters when we see what will happen in Allegiant Stadium in September. Until then it's all talk, but this does give the sense of a once in a life time matchup between two legends of the sport meeting in the ring, really at a time when boxing needs a bit fight to deliver. And I think both these guys know that they need to put on a fight that elevates the sport and takes it to another level. Now will that happen? The ingredients are there. And if there is more animosity throughout the buildup that could lead to a more meaningful 12 rounds. But we just don't know how this is going to play out, but it is exciting to have a once in a life time match of this magnitude.
     
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  8. Glassbrain

    Glassbrain Well-Known Member Full Member

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    That's an old saying repeated by people that didn't know what they talking about. The toughest people I've known have usually been loud about it, and the same can be said of boxing.
     
  9. bjl12

    bjl12 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Canelo is beating and possibly stopping Bud Crawford.
     
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  10. bjl12

    bjl12 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Bud is cashing out. Clear as day
     
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  11. bjl12

    bjl12 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Not really. Bud wont be able to hurt Canelo. Canelo gone chop this lil dude down
     
  12. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    If Canelo does that, how would that enhance his legacy? Would that elevate Canelo to P4P #1 again?
    Haha funny how you say he gonna chop this lil dude down, yet many have said they were surprised at how big Bud is next to Canelo. If anyone's the tree it's Bud, as in the bigger tree that certainly could fall, but it would be Canelo chopping down a "big" tree not a little one. Trees are measured by height, and Bud is the taller tree here.

    There's weight and then there's frame. Bud has put on weight over time leading up this and he hasn't rushed putting weight on either. He's done it slowly over many years. I just don't think you can say Bud is a little dude when standing next to him, he's bigger than Canelo.
     
  13. like a boss

    like a boss Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You just said it yourself - size.
     
  14. MidniteProwler

    MidniteProwler Fab 4. Mayor of Aussie Boxing Full Member

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  15. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Clenelo called Floyd out at a catchweight like 2 years earlier not when they fought each other and even though they knew this Floyd and his team tried to make it seem like it was a recent thing.

    In Floyd's team's own words fans don't understand how big a deal even just a pound can be when you're tight at the weight

    If Floyd thought the catchweight wouldn't have weakened Clenelo he wouldn't have insisted on it
     
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