David Tua vs Jack Dempsey

I can accept that Tua was unlucky to share an era with Lennox Lewis.

I might even stretch a point, and say that he was unlucky to share an era with Ibeabuchi.

I cannot accept that he was unlucky to share an era with Chis Byrd.

I cannot accept that he was unlucky to share an era with Hassim Rahman.

That is just where the bar is set in any era if you want to get to the top.

You are going to have to go through somebody of that caliber.

Then you have to look at some of the worse fighters who did manage to pick up a belt in that era, and measure his results against that.

 

It's quite simple really two aggressive world class fighters exchanging punches one is a solid 220+ pounds with an iron chin. The other is 185 pounds and has been stopped in 1 round by a journeyman called Fireman Jim Flynn.

I know who my money would be on in a slugfest.

 

No it is actually much more complex than that.

You have two aggressive world class fighters, and yes there is a weight gap between them, but there is also a gulf in class, and a gulf in talent.

I wouldn't read too much into the Flynn fight.

It was either a dive, or if it was on the level, it was when Dempsey was still a local level talent.

Either way it is not a game changer.

 

Would Lewis beat Dempsey by intimidating him so hard that Dempsey just cowers for twelve rounds & accepts getting jabbed in the face without returning fire?

You go with size & what if scenarios. I’ll take my winner on the strength of results.

 

Its complicated.

 

David bangs Jack with a left hook in the 3rd round making him hawk tua blood and phlegm out of his mouth before he hits the canvas for the 10th count

 

No I go with something called common sense.

I'm sorry to tell you a 185 pound Cruiserweight is not out slugging a 220+ pound iron chinned Heavyweight who's one of the hardest hitting fighters of all time.

The only fighter who stood in the trenches with Tua and survived was Ibeabuchi who was 230 pounds of solid wall to wall muscle with immense talent and having an unreal workrate.

But yeah let's pretend 185 pound Demspey is going to "swarm" Tua and be successful.

 

Demspey got poleaxed by a journeyman in 20 seconds if the roles were reversed you would be the one bringing it up to discredit Tua without the excuses being made.

Remind me again what is Dempsey's style ? And tell me logically how a 185 pound Dempsey is out slugging Tua ?

Tua struggled against boxers/movers or fighters with a good jab. Dempsey coming straight at Tua would suit him down to ground. Bigger puncher, better chin, physically alot bigger, hence in a slugfest the bigger man should be favoured.

 

This reads like Tua is an 0-0 professional debutante & hasn’t had the career he would yet. It’s as if his entire career never happened. He certainly has the potential to beat Dempsey, & he would win some if they had multiple fights, but you don’t pay on potential, you pay on results. Tua was no tougher physically or mentally than Willard, who was completely annihiliated top to bottom by Dempsey.

He never produced any result within 1,000kms of beating a Jack Dempsey. Lewis’ right hand shelled him, but he’s just going to walk through Dempsey’s two-fisted assault? Please.

 

Lewis is 240+ pounds which is almost 60 pounds heavier than Dempsey. Tua was getting hit by a Super Heavyweight who has 9/10 power not a Cruiserweight. Not to mention Tua was out of shape vs Lewis and had an ATG jab with an 84 inch reach in his face all night long.

Dempsey maybe greater than Tua but you have to look at the styles of both fighters. Dempsey was a swarmer and would be giving away almost 50 pounds. Tua has an iron chin and is one of the hardest hitting punchers of all time with KO power at any point in the fight.

Do I think a smaller fighter could outbox Tua ? Absolutely because he could be outboxed and that was the way to beat him. But trying to brawl with Tua whilst being 50 pounds lighter ? Nah.

 

Well if a guy shows up out of shape for a world title fight he’s hard-pressed to get my selection vs any ATG, that’s all I can say. I disagree about Lewis’ jab being ATG material my standards are just a little higher than that. Willard had a concrete chin & outweighed Dempsey by a similar margin, with height & reach advantages & a great punch. He didn’t get far.

Tua couldn’t out-brawl Hasim Rahman…but I suppose you’d pick him to flatten Dempsey, too.

 

Lewis had one of the best jabs of all time what ? His jab would be anyone's top 10 in regards to Heavyweights.

Rahman didn't out brawl Tua he kept him at distance with his jab. Hence what I said earlier Tua could be out boxed but not many could trade punches with him in a slugfest. And that's why I don't stylistically favour a 185 pound Cruiserweight swarmer against an iron chinned slugger who's a deadly puncher with a 50 pound weight advantage.

Gene Tunney would match up better against Tua with his style.

 

Dempsey took a dive against Flynn.

 

Breakfast is for chumps, Andrew Tate told me so!

Dempsey in 0.2 rounds, no breakfast-eater is beating a sigma god like him.