Could Mayweather have won a title at 160?

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  1. MagnificentMatt

    MagnificentMatt Beterbiev literally kills Plant and McCumby 2v1 Full Member

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    Or at least been as competitive as Duran was with Hagler - at any point in his career? I recently watched the fight between Cory Spinks and Jermain Taylor, Spinks was good but not near Mayweathers level of skill and diversity, and he gave JT a lot of problems with his handspeed, movement, and timing.

    JT was a pretty good middleweight champion.

    Going by “The Ring” champions, while Floyd was a welterweight champ, Taylor, Pavlik, and Martinez were middleweight champs..

    While Floyd has an edge in most areas over all of them, one thing the three of them had going for them is FIREPOWER (especially the latter two) - on top of already being naturally bigger men.

    Floyd made a green 154 Canelo look completely lost, but that version of Canelo was not on the level of any of the above at the time they were champion.

    Hard to see him being able to overcome the size and power differences here, especially with Pavlik and Martinez being quite aggressive - especially without an opponent who could get their respect.

    It's important to note that while Duran fought really well against Hagler, Hagler was a small middleweight especially compared to Pavlik and Taylor.

    I'm sure there was some lesser alphabet champion he could have won a title off of, if anyone knows of someone, feel free to drop them here.
     
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  2. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He could've beat Daniel Geale as Cotto a former Jr Welterweight stopped Geale in 4 rounds winning a Middleweight title.
     
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  3. MagnificentMatt

    MagnificentMatt Beterbiev literally kills Plant and McCumby 2v1 Full Member

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    How could I forget that one? I knew there had to be at least one light route to the title for him. I just wonder why he never went for it. I guess the money was better with what he was doing, and he didn't care about the empty achievement of an opportunistic move up like that? (without the money to match)


    Do you think he would have been as competitive as Duran was against Hagler against JT/Pavlik/Martinez?
     
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  4. AdamT

    AdamT Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think so, but it was a great risk to his zero
    Floyd has along reach, but he has small bones/joints. His his hands in particular are very thin, hence the amount of issues

    So yes he could have won a title. Could he have beaten GGG? No chance could he keep 3G off him. He would be in his shell all night trying to survive.
     
  5. Rexrapper 1

    Rexrapper 1 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Of course he could have won the middleweight title. The issue is no one would have wanted to see him win it against someone not named Sergio Martinez or GGG. So if Floyd ever did try to win a title there, the expectation would be he fought one of those two. That’s where it gets tricky. Very tough fights.
     
  6. vargasfan1985

    vargasfan1985 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Anyone not named GGG at that time, yes.
     
  7. HistoryZero26

    HistoryZero26 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yes. Not a doubt in my mind. Same with Manny. Oscar and Cotto won MW belts no reason they couldn't.

    At that time all the stars were at WW/154. There was no one wondering if Floyd could crack it at MW. If Floyd had went up to MW it'd have been to check it off the bucket list then he'd have went right back down. Thats where the fights were. Oscar and Cotto got MW belts specifically because they lost fights at 147/154 and that was the only logical place to go. If Cotto and De La Hoya had beaten Floyd and Mosley(I know you think De La Hoya won thats not the point) they would not have their MW belts.

    Another interesting tidbit is that Sturm the fighter De La Hoya beat for his MW title was also champion during this period. The point is there was very little doubt Floyd could pop in and take a MW belt.

    Floyd being undefeated over a long stretch at MW would have been tougher but theres really no question he and his peers were capable of being MW champion. Even more so with 4 belts but also with just 1. Cotto was lineal champ.
     
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  8. HistoryZero26

    HistoryZero26 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    That was a title defence, Cotto won the lineal MW title by beating Sergio Martinez. I agree with the larger point and Geale was a MW champ Floyd could have lifted a belt off of just saying Cotto didn't do that.

    If he'd fought Manny in 2010 maybe there would have been clamoring for him to go up if just for the Martinez fight. But since he didn't people were focused on him fighting Manny.
     
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  9. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Mayweather at 160lbs would have beaten the same crippled Maravilla that Cotto did, and would have beaten Geale as well.

    Beyond that, we're talking GGG? Yeah, no.
     
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  10. HistoryZero26

    HistoryZero26 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Threads like this really make me hate tweener divisions. If there was no pesky 154 to make money fights at all these guys would have spent years at MW. We were robbed of a whole legendary MW era.
     
  11. MagnificentMatt

    MagnificentMatt Beterbiev literally kills Plant and McCumby 2v1 Full Member

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    Yup, evidenced by the general consensus here "Yeah, but Martinez and/or GGG..."

    ....Well Duran and Leonard fought Hagler...
     
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  12. MrPook

    MrPook Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I feel like he could have beat Golovkin if he dared to but he didn’t, so it doesn’t count.

    Had he actually dared to and done so he would have had a legit claim to being TBE.
     
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  13. OvidsExile

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    It depends on how bad the title holder at middleweight is. Little guys poach a strap from weak champions all of the time. List all of the people who held a piece of the middleweight crown while Mayweather was active and then ask yourself if he could have beaten them when they had the belt. If you mean could he beat Bernard Hopkins or Gennady Golovkin then the answer is no, not unless they had a massive leg injury like Sergio Martinez had when he fought Miguel Cotto. In regards to that, Mayweather can beat anyone with a crippling injury. Just look at how he beat old Pacquiao with a shoulder injury. Mayweather isn't beating a healthy version of Hopkins, Golovkin, or Martinez but maybe he could do something with Kelly Pavlik, Jermain Taylor, or Felix Sturm. Dmitri Pirog, Hassan N'Dam N'Jikan, Peter Quillin, and Andy Lee all held versions of the WBO belt. Yes, I believe he could beat Hector Javier Velazco, Darren Barker, Sam Soliman, and Daniel Geale. Maybe, he could beat William Joppy or Maselino Masoe. He could beat all of these posers, paper champions, and pretenders to make his resume look more impressive than it is, but he's never beating any of the legit guys, the credible champs which people knew were the real deal.
     
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  14. Usyk is the best

    Usyk is the best Active Member Full Member

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    I'm sure both Mayweather and Pacquiao could have won the one of the belts at middleweight, if they fought such beltholders like Sebastian Sylvester or Sebastian Zbik (both very ordinary, Euro-level fighters and both held one of the belts at that time).
     
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  15. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He didn't dare to be great like Canelo has or like Bud is now doing. He's a very accomplished boxer of course, but he hasn't taken the kind of risks that many other greats have taken.
     
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