Tucker's hand broken or just an excuse ?

aha, so Douglas was simply deadly fast. No one noticed this for the remaining dozen or so years of Douglas' career, only with the fast Tyson Douglas became so fast that the fast Tyson seemed too slow..

Friend, I've had a few funny discussions here, but trust me, you're right up there with the top guys.

 

Again, I’ve answered.

If you’re limited to only being able to read/comprehend one sentence, that’s on you - and you also shouldn’t speak on behalf of others in that regard - others who can and do read beyond one sentence.

I’ve also asked you to answer your own question and properly qualify your answer. Interesting to see if you even understand what you’re asking and if doesn’t ultimately amount to an excuse for Fury.

Waiting……

 

Tyson doesn't need to be a gym rat at that age to stay in shape. Furthermore I said "if anything" putting how Douglas would've disrupted Tyson if his tactics were the sole cause of Tysons lack of head movement but i don't agree it was the sole reason. Considering the reports are true, Douglas always has a troubling style for Tyson but it's clear he didn't take Douglas seriously and it probably would have been more competitive if he were more disciplined in his preparation, fact is he wasn't. Douglas still got hurt and floored unlike Holyfield.

Golota was about as skilled and got wasted. Tucker beat Douglas H2H. David Bey beat Douglas. Mike White stopped him. Your Ignoring these examples and saying Douglas fought better than all of them as to why he beat Tyson, but he wasn't better, bigger or more skilled than all of the top fighters Tyson beat, nor was Douglas more durable than Ruddock. Note how we never saw that Douglas again, because his skill level and style probably wasn't the only reason Tyson looked so bad. Credit to Douglas, nothing to take away from him. He would trouble any version of Mike

 

You are once again bringing up other fighters based on other fights and not how well they fought against Tyson in particular.

 

If thats what you understood from my comment dont even bother responding.

 

If you write that Tyson who is still considered one of the fastest in history with Douglas only seemed slow because Buster was so fast what is there to understand? That's exactly what you wrote... what is there not to understand?? you are withdrawing from the discussion...

 

I said he seemed slow because he was GETTING COUNTERED by an also fast fighter. You are always gonna look slow in such a situation no matter how fast you are. Ali didn't look good against Norton. Foreman didn't look good against Ali. Frazier didnt look against Foreman. Its just what happens when you are getting beaten.

 

I will gladly answer but my goal is not to humiliate you, to tease or ridicule you. I am trying to understand your point of view, nothing more. If my questions are offensive to you then forgive me because that is not my intention and you must be angry with me, you have no reason. OK?

My point of view is that both Mike and Fury did not take their underrated opponents seriously. They underestimated them. They were in a clearly worse shape. Even if you are at your best age, in your prime, you have to train and live like an athlete, isn't it obvious that Mike Tyson did not do that? is there not enough evidence for it? is Mike's famous, crazy nightlife and personal problems a media invention? he did not live like a champion, he did not fight like a champion.
Douglas fought the fight of his life with Tyson, Mike did not. Ngannou had the fight of his life with Fury, Tyson didn't.

But of course we can assume that Douglas should have been the champion in the 80s and not Mike. So why wasn't he? why wasn't he the second best HW during Tyson's time?

and how on earth is a 37 year old boxing debutant an equal opponent for the category leader?

 

so Douglas was JUST AS fast as Tyson? do I understand correctly?
There was a recent poll about the fastest HW ever, Tyson was one of the leaders, no one mentioned Douglas, you didn't do that either.. you could have flashed this theory.. they say about James that he is still very well trained, big, strong, talented in movement but no one paid attention to the speed of ATG, except you - respect. You see things that ordinary mortals miss.
Can you also explain to me why Douglas was able to control Tyson and was not able to control e.g. Jesse Ferguson? or Steffann Tangstad? why they didn't seem slow compared to James? as slow as e.g. Mike Tyson?
best regards

 

It's all fine and dandy you know, but Buster wasn't 100% himself, being sick on antibiotics and mother of his child being admitted to the hospital with potentially fatal kindye failure. Not to mention his mom died 3 weeks before the fight. Still wanna go excuse for an excuse?

 

Also fast doesn't mean AS fast, nor do you need to be as fast to make someone slow, timing > speed. It wasn't just speed that made Tyson look slow, it was also the fact that Douglas had his timing down and was countering him almost at will.

Probably because Douglas put on his career-best performance against Tyson. If you want to argue those two beating the Douglas of that night or even the one that fought with Tucker, be my guest.

 

Of course its an excuse. If he had won, nobody would talk about it. Just like with the excuses Tyson fanboys have - you never hear about his issues duscussing the fights he won. But when he lost? The excuses are neverending.

 

Thing it's not a Tyson's fans exclusivity.
Any famous boxer's fanbase has his share of excuses for certain fights.

 

No no, I don't want to argue at all. Contrary to what you think about me, I am disgusted by arguing with users. Sometimes I can come across as someone mocking. But if Tyson looked slower than usual compared to Douglas, why didn't the others look slower than usual? Didn't Buster have as much of an advantage over Stefan Tangstadd as he did over Tyson? Was Ferguson a tougher opponent than Tyson? How on earth did no one notice in Buster's 8-year career that he had more than Mike's 37 previous opponents? Including those that Mike defeated? That Buster looks faster?

 

Of course. But Tyson fanboys are one of the worst out there doing this. I think only Wilderettes and Pacquiao fanatics are worse.