Some of Tunney’s best wins: Dempsey 2x Greb (at least 2x in their 5 fight series) Gibbons Some of Marciano’s best wins: Moore Charles 2x Walcott 2x Among others Who would you say has the superior resume?
P4P i am willing to give Tunney the edge. Greb was in his prime when Tunney beat him while Charles was in the latter stages of his prime. I think Greb was closer to his peak during the Tunney rivalry and while Charles was still prime for the first Marciano fight, i feel he was further from his peak than Greb was from his. That being said, Charles and Moore are both all time top 10-15 p4p fighters while Greb is top 10. Moore was still prime when Marciano beat him. Very close. I think if you look at heavyweight, Marciano has a better resume. I will take Charles and Walcott over the 1926 version of Dempsey but p4p i will take prime Greb over 1953 version of Charles. P4P: Tunney slightly Heavyweight: Marciano
I think Tunney beat 8 HOFers.. Carpentier, Dempsey, Gibbons, Greb, Houck, Levinsky, Loughran & Smith.. are they better than Louis, Moore, Walcott, Charles, Layne, Lastarza etc?? Especially when u apply weight disparity, age & condition etc.. Interesting debate.. Greb & Charles are two of my GOATs.. Loughran is right up there with Tunney himself as an ATG.. is beating a young Loughran better than beating a veteran Archie Moore? Walcott v Dempsey? Who would win? I'll wait to see if the thread grows before i contribute further as i like to see other opinions first..
I say Gene Tunney, he defeated Greb 3 times, Dempsey 2 times, Gibbons (the only one by stoppage), Loughran and Carpentier. In addition to other important fighters of his era, like Levinsky. Surely some were no longer at the top, like Dempsey and Carpentier, but others were very competitive. More than the best defeated by Marciano (Louis, Walcott, Charles and Moore) in my opinion.
At Heavyweight ... Marciano: Louis. Walcott. Charles. Moore. Tunney: Dempsey. Verdict: Marciano. --- At Light-Heavyweight ... Marciano: Did not compete. Tunney: Greb. Carpentier. Levinsky. Verdict: Tunney
Tunney without question. Even at HW Tunneys got more quality, people just are less familar with someone like Weinart or Battling Levinsky then they are with someone like Rex Layne.