Could Sonny Liston have made it undefeated vs Louis title defenses?

Whatever you think of Terrell he was the second best heavyweight in the world for 2 straight years and rated
No3 in 63
No3 in 64
No10 in 67
The fact that he could do nothing with Ali says more about Ali's talents than Terrell's lack of them.
I have about 80 fights on film.
Including Terrell sparring with Liston and Ali.

 

And there was me thinking Ali's superlative speed had something to do with his success !

 

lol Ernie Terrell was not a good fighter in the grand scheme of things… the fight against Ali was a horrendous effort, you’d be shockingly mistaken to think that, that was a great jabber of his time PLEASS I’d love to hear you break down why you think he was some jabber? You are willing to say the newspapers say so but how about you? - Again watching the Ali fight? Why was Terrell usually successful? Please tell me of the great Ernie Terrell.

 

Hmm....how about Dempsey drawing 2 out of the other 4 fights with Meehan.Sure isn't a good look
for Mr Dempsey.

 

Mate,I hate to be pedantic but your spelling leaves a lot to be desired.

 

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If he wasn't a good fighter what does that say about the rated men he beat such as
Folley
Machen
Jones
Chuvalo ?
They must have been crap too!

 

Did Willie even fight Jack in a 10-15rder? No? Otherwise I’m not interested, in those days 4 rounders and other short distance fights were treated like hard spars and exhibitions if it wasn’t at the “building” stage of a fighter… things were taken less serious, Zivic was as good as the best of his era but would take “dives” against local hero’s etc.

 

Break it down McVey don’t hide… BUT I don’t think any of those fighters are overly good either, for contenders Terrell, Chuvalo, Machen etc they’re just decent - good pros nothing special… what would they be rated in the 80s-90s I wonder?

 

Ellis hit hard enough to floor Bonavena twice.

 

I think Ellis hit hard but to “assist” here Griffith dropped D1ck Tiger… @BoxingFan2002 so it’s not always a sign of the capacity to swat, a good punch is sometimes just a good punch.

 

Oh I see,so you're going to ignore the fact that Dempsey failed to beat Meehan in 3 out of 5 fights ? It counts, matter how short the distance.
Ok how about Dempsey,in reality, losing to Luis Firpo ?

 

Spelling man,just check your spelling !

 

So you think close to amateur distance fights 4 rounders? Should matter… okay, I guess it makes him not look very good at 4 rounders? - last time I checked the defanged version of Dempsey that had the title beat Firpo? That fight was whacky Dempsey was WWE slammed onto a type writer right? so some weird stuff happened and the result was the result… Before we go further know that Dempsey himself thinks after he won the title he was ruined as a fighter… I tend to agree with him he was 4 years past his best and doing sweet F all the entire time he was champ, exhibitions, plays, getting into panic shape but mostly just F-ing around in Hollywood… JD was a sucky champion and his whole reign felt like smoke and mirrors… what he did against Sharkey was very impressive doe, look at the time off he had and his result compared to say Robinson during his famous upset against the Tiger.

 

Why didn't Macho Camacho do anything to win in his fight with the Golden Boy? Why did Ernie go into a defensive shell in his fight with Muhammad Ali? Did Oscar and Muhammad have anything to do with it? Was it serendipity?