George Foreman Versus Alexander Povetkin

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  1. ThatOne

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    He outweighs George by twenty or so pounds, George has never been called a small man, but more importantly he's giving up an inch and half of height and seven and one half inches of reach. Getting inside will be problematic.
     
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    How do you define cheater? Would you consider Ali a cheater? Floyd? Ward? Hopkins?
     
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  3. themaster458

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    For his time he'd be considered big for the modern day he'd be around Usyk’s size shots considered a small heavyweight really shows how much size has changed over 40-50 years
     
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  4. ThatOne

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    Taking steroids=Cheating. That's why they're banned in every organized sport I'm aware of.
     
  5. cross_trainer

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    They should be, but they weren't, and I don't even know what a clean Povetkin would look like in the ring. Also, if they're fighting on Foreman's home turf of the 70s, I don't think they tested for anything. Nor were they even illegal in the States.
     
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  6. ThatOne

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    Oleksandr Usyk's size hasn't prevented him from dominating his era. Some boxers would shine in any era. It's not like Frazier and to an infinitely greater extent Marciano where he would just be too small to hang with today's best but George was a big strong man.
     
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    https://www.google.com/search?q=did...CCLACAfEFnZLa6aTp85Y&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8


    AI Overview

    Yes, Cus D'Amato is known for saying that "no swarmer beats George Foreman". He often used this phrase to illustrate the challenge Foreman presented to aggressive, come-forward fighters. D'Amato specifically mentioned fighters like Jack Dempsey, Rocky Marciano, and Joe Frazier as examples of swarmers who wouldn't be able to overcome Foreman's power and style.
    D'Amato's reasoning was that Foreman's strength and uppercut would be too much for swarmers who tried to get inside. He believed that Foreman's power and ability to trap fighters in close would overwhelm them. This belief was a key factor in Mike Tyson's reluctance to fight Foreman later in his career, according to some boxing historians.

    While some disagree and believe a skilled swarmer could potentially defeat Foreman, D'Amato's statement highlights the significant threat Foreman posed to that particular style of fighter.
     
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  8. ThatOne

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    Love Demps but George would kill him, ditto for Rocky. Big George pushing, framing. and uppercutting the diminutive Rocky would be brutal
     
  9. Pat M

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    AI spits out what it is fed, that is not credible. I doubt D'Amato ever used the word "swarmer." It is not a gym term. It is a message board term that came along long after D'Amato was dead.
     
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  10. themaster458

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    Its a styles and size thing. Usyk style allows him to make up for his size but fighters like Foreman and Frazier were reliant on their size for their success so it would be harder for them to do well when they don't have a size advantage over their foe
     
  11. ThatOne

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    Swarmer-in fighter, pressure fighter, crowder
     
  12. MarkusFlorez99

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    Frazier wasn't reliant on his size wtf ? Foreman relied on his high tier power, jab, ring cutting, timing and strength, but he beat every large heavyweight available and beat Savarese as a old ass man
     
  13. dinovelvet

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    In the last week I heard Foreman never had any ability to cut off the ring and the term swarmer was invented on message boards. :cbiggrin:
     
  14. themaster458

    themaster458 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Frazier struggled with ever larger fighter he fought while he ran through every smaller fighter but I'm sure that's just a coincidence.
    Name any good large heavyweight Foreman beat.......
     
  15. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Losing to Foreman isn't a good example Foremans an all time great with more power than lennox lewis lol and he used framing tactics. Take it up with Holyfield who actually fought both prime Lewis and an old ass middle aged George

    He didn't struggle with Mathis who was a skilled 240 pound contender, and if you disagree explain why Mathis doesn't posses good fundamentals and speed. He beat Bugner clearly while Bugner was always a solid. The Bonavena fight was more competitive than either of them and he was smaller than both of them. There weren't many super heavyweights in Foremans era that i agree with, most of the bigger guys couldn't compete with the top 10 though, so who's fault is that ?
     
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